Re: Finding useful functions- part 1

From: patty (pattyNO_at_SPAMicyberspace.net)
Date: 11/05/04 

Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:18:11 GMT

David Longley wrote:
> In article <krRid.60025$R05.40725@attbi_s53>, patty
> <pattyNO@SPAMicyberspace.net> writes
>
>> David Longley wrote:
>>
>>> In article <16idncPwtouMnRbcRVn-vQ@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill
>>> Modlin <wdmalias-cap@yahoo.com> writes
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> You have presented evidence that human judgment is based on heuristics
>>>> which lead to suboptimal results in cases where there is sufficient
>>>> data
>>>> to apply more accurate procedures for comparison. You have also
>>>> presented evidence that the biases inherent in these heuristics are
>>>> difficult to overcome by education and training, that training in
>>>> better
>>>> methods of reasoning often does not generalize well.
>>>>
>>>> You argue that we should therefore prefer to collect data and apply
>>>> well-founded statistical and logical procedures rather than rely on
>>>> expert clinical judgment, as that judgment is likely to be biased and
>>>> suboptimal. This is a reasonable position.
>>>>
>>> But you haven't understood it, your paraphrasing is a translation
>>> which loses everything that's important. It isn't a matter of
>>> anything being "sub-optimal"! If it was, we could just say that more
>>> evidence is better than less evidence, and that our "onboard
>>> computer's" memory isn't big enough. That isn't the issue - it's
>>> more profound than that. Intension does not determine extension. You
>>> need to learn the language of science here, and that science is
>>> behaviour analysis.
>>>
>>
>> Here you switch back to the set theoretic meaning of extensions ...
>> which is ok, i just though i would point it out. Incidentally in
>> many domains we cannot determine the extension except by using the
>> intension. Try for example determining the set of even integers by
>> extension. But that was not your point.
>>
>> Pertinent to your point i would like to say this. Where the behavior
>> of an animal in a context is the same as the behavior of other animals
>> in that context we can say that behavior is extensional to that
>> context. Further, where this holds, it is clear that the internal
>> context of the animals is irrelevant to control and prediction of
>> those animals. Hence asking about the internal context of the animals
>> is contra indicated for clinical judgments about their behavior.
>>
>> The question that i bring is how to proceed where that is not the
>> case? How do we proceed where, what it is smart to do, has nothing to
>> do with being predicted or being controlled (or predicting or
>> controlling) ?
>>
>> patty
>>
> Do you not see that you, like Modlin are merely substituting some new
> vocabulary for the old mentalistic notions but still expressing the same
> old nonsense in the way you construct your sentences?
>
> It won't work that way. All you'll end up doing is saying the same old
> rubbish with new words!
>
> You've missed the point just as Modlin has. Elsewhere in philosophy
> you'll find more sophisticated ignoramuses trying to make intensions
> "rigid".
>

Well all i am lobbying for is to use a predicate which relates different
contexts to each other ... "C1 is intensional to C2" (see other post to
Wolf). To translate that into "make intensions rigid" is to
mistranslate it.

> It's all gibberish, logical, but gibberish like Alice in Wonderland! Do
> you know why?

I don't play guessing games with you any more (also see other post to
Wolf) ... continuing to play guessing games with me is just going to
waste your time. Hint ... what presumption is inherent in all of your
guessing games ? Do you suppose that i will ever accept that
presumption? What effect does repeating that presumption have on you?
... on me? Incidentally in VGT this here behavior is called mirroring.

patty

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