Re: Lucas: Shame on the redistributionists

royls_at_telus.net
Date: 06/16/04 

Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:49:38 GMT

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:13:12 GMT, Les Cargill
<lcargill@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>royls@telus.net wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:37:21 GMT, Les Cargill
>> <lcargill@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>royls@telus.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:27:41 GMT, Les Cargill
>>>><lcargill@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>Even if
>>>they are Machievellian enough to design such an
>>>image, there'd have to be some measure of balance to it.
>>>
>>>Bush II doing it is just an echo of Reagan having
>>>done it, and it was a legitimate recreation activity
>>>of Reagan's.
>>>
>>>I just think that the top .1% may have reources enough
>>>to manipulate, but not to *buy* the thing outright.
>>
>> Ever see Wag the Dog?
>
>Yes. I'm quite familiar with Mamet's work in general.
>
>Mamet tends to work in hyperbole, brilliantly. But it's
>applied surrealism, truth-through-fiction, not
>reportage.
>
>In fact, the phrase "wag the dog" is precisely *the*
>hallmark for a conversation leaving reason and heading
>for The Land Of All Things Konspiratorial.

The Truth is, Julius Caesar was assassinated by a conspiracy of
high-ranking officials and nobles.

The Truth is, the Paris food riots of 1773 were organized by major
landowners and grain monopolists to discredit Jacques Turgot, the
finance minister, because he had begun to remove their privileges.

The Truth is, the Nazis started the Reichstag fire.

The Truth is, the Kuwaiti royal family paid a major PR firm to get the
Kuwati ambassador's daughter on national TV, where she _lied_ that she
was a nurse from a hospital in Kuwait, and witnessed atrocities
committed there by Iraqi soldiers. _Total_fabrication_, complete with
choked-back tears, the whole schmeer.

And still we have the morons who bray about black helicopters, blah,
blah, any time anyone suggests that there may be more to a story than
the pablum fed to the credulous.

>>>Bush43 and his father were neither all that wealthy.
>>
>> I agree. But they are servants of the really wealthy.
>
>To the extent that campaigns need to be finianced. No
>further. We're talking about the size of a middling
>IPO. And the donors generally don't get much more'n
>a photo op .

It is often astonishing how cheaply massively valuable political
favors can be bought. AFAICT, the normal return on a political
donation in excess of $1000 is about 100,000%.

>It's the political equivalent of winning a backstage
>pass to the Stones concert, and nothing more.

??? Open your eyes.
 
>>>>>>It is the search for an economy in which the leaders tell us all exactly
>>>>>>what our morals should be, who we are to have sex with and how, what
>>>>>>god(s) to worship and how, and to do this it is necessary to create
>>>>>>a ruling class economically.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh good grief. Wipe the dang foam off your mouth and
>>>>>*think* for a minute. Where is the evidence of an
>>>>>emerging Mandarin class?
>>>>
>>>>Everywhere: the growing predominance and egregiousness of
>>>>government-created and -enforced IP monopolies in business;
>>>
>>>Nothing new there.
>>
>> It is most definitely new, on a historical timescale.
>
>It's only new in scale. It means little - if the patents
>are too expensive, people evolve the technologies around them.

It's still a tool of privilege.

>I've personally seen it dozens of time. And IP means nothing
>in China, and other emerging markets.

It only means nothing when they want it to. There's plenty of IP rent
seeking going on in those markets, too.
 
>>>>>If there is a corporation which represents things now, it
>>>>>is WalMart.
>>>>
>>>>Micro$oft. Pure rent seeking.
>>>
>>>Microsoft is a thing of the recent past. It won't
>>>survive sucession of Gates and Ballmer. The remains of
>>>the company will drown in all that cash.
>>
>> Don't you believe it. I have a gut feeling that Gates is not actually
>> a bad guy, but Ballmer is the Antichrist.
>
>It doesn't matter. They cannot maintain market position for
>long.

Funny, that's what people were saying about them 10 years ago...

>Their practices show they are not making
>the inroads they once made.

I hope you're right, and they aren't just replaced by someone even
worse.
 
>>>>>They are extraordinarily good at what they
>>>>>do. They are also very fiscally conservative.
>>>>>
>>>>>AND THEY DO WHAT THE CUSTOMERS WANT THEM TO DO!
>>>>
>>>>And they are the recipients of tens of billions of dollars worth of
>>>>publicly created land rent.
>>>
>>>But they run trillions ( I don't even know how much )
>>>in merchandise yearly.
>>
>> It's not that much, and anyway it's rrelevant. Trading and retail
>> companies do big volume because that's what they do.
>
>Point being: it overwhelms all real estate owned.

Nope. Not even close.

-- Roy L

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