Re: ELEMENTARY 9-11 -- insider guilt established by new evidence

From: *** Eastman (silver_at_nwinfo.net)
Date: 06/21/04 

Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:40:32 -0700

several items, including: let's stop this talk about "the Arab hatred for
America," it is the psychological pivot of all Zionist disinfo propaganda

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Item #1:

"chosin123" asks: Does 'anyone' 'feel' the 'Arab hatred' for 'America' is
'justified' -- I examine his question

by *** Eastman

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From: "chosin123" <chosin123@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm interested to know if anyone feels the Arab hatred for America
> is justifeid and if so tell me why?....hoping for some good debate
> here!

What a loaded question. It drops the unsupported assumption that "Arabs"
do "hate" what is termed "America." But this is unsupported and really
a very vague and misleading assumption.

Arabs make a distinction between the American people, whom they know
to be both powerless and misinformed by a criminal ruling elite with
unlimited money power, institutional power, information power.

Do all Arabs "hate" (the term simply means being totally dominated by
irrational evil that won't listen to reason ) -- to say that someone is
possessed of hate -- is to say he is a hopeless anti-social case and
must be denied the rights of normal people -- do they, then, "all"
"hate" America -- but what is "America" in this question -- do all
Arabs hate all Americans??? But "chosin123" is not asking that -- he
is assuming it from the outset -- and is asking us if irrational "hatred"
is
"justified?"

Asking if all Arabs hating all Americans (which is his assumption, taken
as a given) is "justified" is setting up this sophistic trick:

"All Arabs Hate All Americans.
Hating all Americans is certainly unjust.
Therefore the Arab cause is without Justice."

How many readers read what "chosin123" was asking, and got
sucked into his spin? I suspect all of you. (I know you too well.)

Hatred refers in part to stimulus elicted emotion. It is not justified --
it is conditioned. Justice is of reason. Conditioning is a history of the
what stimuli have been applied to an organism to affect its involuntary
responding (fear, anger, anxiety).

American psychologist B.F. Skinner once wrote, "The organixsm is always
right." Meaning that we respond exactly how our past conditioning and the
current environing stimuli and our genetic endowment make us respond.
Hatred is label we put on people who are exhibiting a certain class of
emotional responses. If the emotion is elicited -- then we know that
there were sufficient environmental events to produce that effect -- if it
happens then it can happen, if it happens then the conditioning conditions
must have been right for effecting its happening.

Are Arabs exhibiting anger and frustration and on very rare occasions overt
elicited aggression in response to conditioning conditions applied by
foreigners known to be Americans and British?

Yes.

Do Arabs therefore hate all Americans?

No. Although some may conclude that it is rational to capture and exact
revenge on any American as a way of applying unacceptable loss on all
Americans so that they in turn will pressure their leadership to back off
the policies that are so aversive to the Iraqis.

Do Arabs blame all Americans?

No. They feel that the US and its people are controlled by a disciplined
and organized infiltration of Zionists -- the Rothschilds and Rockefellers;
financiers in Wall Street and the City of London, corporation CEOs, the
networking and criminal elite. They view the average American as both
voiceless,powerless and duped. This is a rational position, and fully
justified by the known evidence.

What evidence is that?

For example -- 9-11 has been proven by
Eastman-Dewdney-Longspaugh-Hoffman-Omholt-Haupt and a dozen others to have
been an inside-job false-flag black-op mass-murder frame-up -- here is the
evidence:

The proof is overwhelming, multiple, sufficient, ample, and you can review
it and confirm its conclusiveness in just a few minutes of direct inspection
of these photographs:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911crimefile/message/14

Or here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagonconspiracy/message/78
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagonconspiracy/message/71
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/messages/1

The fact is that what angers the intelligent and informed Arab is what
angers every intelligent and informed man of good will on this planet.

"Chosin123" asks if "Arab hatred for America is justifeid " -- knowing
that everyone agrees that blinding emotion controlling one's will is always
wrong (i.e., in scientific terms, that elitcited aggression overrides
performance that can yield changes of situation that would give more
permanent benefits from "the ways of peace, understanding,
amity, forgiveneess and cooperation etc.) preventing the fruits of
rational deliberation seeking enlightened best interest for both
the individual and for the common good, for justice, for humane
relationships among the family of mankind.

*** Eastman
Yakima, Washington

----- Original Message -----
From: "chosin123" <chosin123@yahoo.com>
To: <terrorinamerica2001@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 4:43 AM
Subject: [Terror in America 2001] arab view and ours

> I'm interested to know if anyone feels the Arab hatred for America
> is justifeid and if so tell me why?....hoping for some good debate
> here!
>
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Items 2, 3 and 4:

>From my inbox:

Came upon some interesting info.

9-11 was a classic Pearl Harbor and JFK project.

The real Atta was NOT in any plane on 9/11/01.

(1) Mohamed Atta was a licensed pilot for years.

(2) His girlfriend in Venice, Fla told to shut up by FBI.

(3) She reported that Atta partied at the upscale Margarita Maggie's in
Sarasota. (Certainly not a man who was hiding.)

(4) Interestingly she reported that he ate pork. This 'Atta' was a double
like the several Oswalds in JFK.)

(5) This 'Atta' wore so much gold the neighbors thought that he was in the
mob. (Again a non-Islamic practice.)

(6) He was actually a guest flight INSTRUCTOR at Huffman Aviation.

(7) Listen up now! His email list included defense staff in US and Canada.

(8) He was a frequent guest at Maxwell AFB.

(9) He was a frequent guest at the Defense Language Institute in Monterrey,
Alabama.

Cool

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National Military Command Center (NMCC) ops director asked
inexperienced
substitute on "9-10" to stand his watch on 9-11 -- Starting at 8:30 AM
-- Even though 9/11 events had already started to happen !!! ???

Address:http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65&mode=
&order=0&thold=0

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9/11 Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

Address:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

Waleed Al Shehri left the US a year ago,

he says
Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide
attacks
on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out
the attacks are now in doubt.

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI
said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the
World
Trade Centre on 11 September.

His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and
on
television around the world.
Hijacking suspects

Flight 175: Marwan Al-Shehhi, Fayez Ahmed, Mohald Alshehri, Hamza
Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi

Flight 11: Waleed M Alshehri, Wail Alshehri, Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz
Alomari and Satam Al Suqami

Flight 77: Khalid Al-Midhar, Majed Moqed, Nawaq Alhamzi, Salem Alhamzi
and Hani Hanjour

Flight 93: Ahmed Alhaznawi, Ahmed Alnami, Ziad Jarrahi and Saeed
Alghamdi

Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.

He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on
New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He
has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to
Saudi press reports.

He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Dayton Beach
in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom
the FBI has been referring.

But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became
a
pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines and is currently on a further
training
course in Morocco.

Mistaken identity
Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also
been quoted in Arab news reports.

Abdelaziz Al Omari 'lost his passport in Denver'

He says he is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and that he lost his
passport while studying in Denver.

Another man with exactly the same name surfaced on the pages of the
English-language Arab News.

The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines,
the
report says.
Meanwhile, Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says
it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi.

Khalid Al-Midhar may also be alive
He was listed by the FBI as a hijacker in the United flight that
crashed
in Pennsylvania.

And there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may
also be alive.

FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity
of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.

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I was listening to an interview on Democracy Now dated 9/10/03 with one of
the waiters (he was the union rep)--Fekkak Mamdouh--at Windows on the World
Restaurant at the WTC. He mentioned something interesting, he said that
there had been an "unusually large event taking place," a breakfast event
planned for the morning of 9/11/01 for 500 people but "somehow [his
emphasis] it was like getting less and less and end up with 98 coming to the
party."

Seems like a huge no-show for that breakfast event. This is the first I
heard about this.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/10/1535252 at 43:30
minutes.

His e-mail address is ...

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