Re: More on Ecological Economics.

From: Sigvaldi Eggertsson (sigvald_at_binet.is)
Date: 06/22/04


Date: 22 Jun 2004 02:27:23 -0700


"Ian St. John" <istjohn@noemail.ca> wrote in message news:<EjHBc.5695$Nz.555449@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> Sigvaldi Eggertsson wrote:
>
> > "Ian St. John" <istjohn@noemail.ca> wrote in message
> > news:<kjpBc.3069$Nz.201916@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> >
> > Bob Kolker wrote
> > >
> >
> > Check: (http://www.or.is/Forsida/ENGLISHVERSION/view.aspx?.)
> > for further information on the use of Geothermal heat to heat houses
> > and generate electricity.
>
> Actually, I have an excellent presentation from "The Learning Channel" on
> the issue. Would you like a copy? Mostly it is the equivalent of "district
> heating' for both housing heat and domestic hot water. The concentration of
> citizenry in Reykjavik helps. However, all electricity, portable fuels, etc
> are separate from the house heating issue.
>
> >
> >>> In Ratkjvic Iceland there is not a single furnace. All heating is
> >>> done by hot water heated by geothermal heat. All electricity is
> >>> geothermally generated. All we have to do is spend the money to
> >>> drill the Mohole and the heat is waiting for us to use. If the
> >>> Icelanders can do it, so can we.
>
> Note the indents!
>
> >
> > 90% of the electricity produced in Iceland comes from hydro-electric
> > sources.
>
> Actually: ( source
> http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ic.html )

Please, do not quote the CIA "fact" book here. It is very inaccurate
and not reliable.

> fossil fuel: 0.1%
> hydro: 82.5%
> other: 17.5% (geothermal) (2001)
>
> There is quite a bit of untapped hydro potential so it is the liikeliest
> source of any future increase.

There is a much larger untapped geo-thermal potential in Iceland and
if the "hydrogen economy" is ever going to amount to anything a large
part of the increase has to come from those sources.

>
> The point here is that Robert was stating that everything should be electric
> and then gave Iceland geothermal as an example, so I was being sarcastic.
> His 'blinders' are still on, though so if I give other sarcastic answers,
> please take them with a grain of salt. And I didn't even go into hydrogen
> power in Iceland.
> http://www.hydro.com/en/press_room/news/archive/2001_03/hydrogen_buses_en.html
>
> Have no fear. I am quite aware of Iceland and it's developments, though I
> hear less about the 'teething problems' that I assume they are having than
> the promotional stuff. I just didn't want to get detailed and thus spoil the
> point of the sarcasm.
>
> >
> >> So you're saying that in iceland, geothermal heat is electrik? Or
> >> "could" be electrik? OR the icelanders are doing it all wrong?
> >> Perhaps you should clarify your clarification.
> >>
> >> Why do you dismiss solar, wind, cellulose ethanol, tidal, biodiesel,
> >> "anything into oil", etc?? Surely you see that there is no one single
> >> 'answer'?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Bob Kolker