Re: The 'working poor' scam
From: Johnny Marcos (johnny5_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 07/03/04
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:50:28 GMT
The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in news:cc5a1u01bc7
@news2.newsguy.com:
>>>- fortunately in this country we can VOTE to change things
>>>or choose with our pocketbooks and don't have to go to such extremes.
>
> WRONG! We will have two choices for president that can actually be
> elected to the post.
If enough PEOPLE get pissed off - the 2 guys running for office through
their polls will find out what ISSUES are IMPORTANT to the people - for
me it is immigration - I appear to be in the minority. I was going to
vote for kerry - because I hoped he would not give free citizenship to
illegals. Now he has - so when his pollsters call me they will find out
he lost my vote and I will now vote for bush because that was the only
issue for now that really matters to me and I don't need change now.
And as the publics perception change from day to day and the issues
change and what it takes to get votes change - the candidates will be
sensitive too - dewey defeats truman was because the pollsters had a
disconnect between reality and expectation. That there is a 50 50 split
in the voters for the 2 guys shows that things are going along pretty
good - not too many people pissed off one way or another - for if there
were one candidate would have 90 percent in the polls and the other 10
percent - what a DRAMATIC way to run a campaign - sensitive to the daily
issues affecting people in thier personal lives - if only ben franklin
could have had it so good - they had to go to washington and vote for
people they didnt talk too for over 5 or 6 months sometimes - maybe in
those 6 months the peoples opinion changed and franklin would vote the
wrong way. Thankfully immigration laws are not SOLELY determined by
ther prez - but by congress - and if this country gives immigration to
illegals - it is probably because the majority of the PEOPLE wanted it
or either didn't CARE about it - if the majority do start CARING they
can get it changed.
All the others are not know and are feared
> because they are not known.
Campaigns are won or lost on how well they respond to the polls -
questions to the individual citizens - the leviathan creates its own
head - and that head must listen to the body or it gets voted out. If
they start falling in the polls - they can adjust thier policy promises
to reflect a greater percentage of the peoples will.
All the others will be totally drowned
> out by the media.
The person is just a servant of the body - the policies are what matters
- and if a man tries to run for office insensitive to the policies - he
is going to lose on the day of voting. If Hitler gets up there and says
he will stop nuclear proliferation and I believe him - I am going to
vote for him.
> All the issues will be selected by the two parties
The people ultimately determine the importance of the issues.
> and any issue not selected by the two parties will simply remain
> undiscussed
I am sure no one wanted to discuss abu ghraib or bill clintons monica or
jack ryans borg wife - but they got exposed and discussed and people
made up thier minds and can make choices on that information. It is a
LOT HARDER to keep things secret than it used to be.
> and there will be no disagreement on real issues because
> that is how party politics works.
Party politics have to be sensitive to the polls if they want to get
voted in, the green fungus growing in spain may wipe out the whole world
in 2 years - the asteroid plummeting towards us may wipe out the whole
world in 5 years - they are not currently important to the people - real
issues get discussed when they really matter. If a voter has a car and
a house and can watch homer simpson and no one bother him he is probably
a happy guy sucking down his mcdonalds hamburger - trying to get that
guy to vote is much harder than a starving mexican wanting to usurp
government power.
The very powerful have selected
> these two because they present the least threat and may have shown
> that they can actually enhance the power of those already in
> control. We will be asked to select the least offensive of the two.
Ultimately, they have to be sensitive to the polls - the wishes of thier
voters - they have gotten better at polling - we the people have gotten
better at understanding and learning - you and I are hear discussing
world events like no common man in ben franklins time could. Cnn and
other news organizations brings news like no publisher could in ben
franklins time. Hate and human suffering is the enemy - never forget
that.
>>>- they don't even have to do A LOT of WORK to enact change -
>>>just show up at the polls and VOTE - how much simpler do you want it?
>
> We do not have much of a choice in our vote.
I promise you, if the people are PISSED OFF about ken lay and not HAPPY
with what happens to him and really CARE they can DO something and it
WILL get done. If the people dont care then what does it matter?
We get the lesser of
> evils. But if Satan was running against George Bush I'd probably
> have to vote for Satan.
HAHA! Like I said if hitler or satan were going in ways I thought were
bnenficial I would vote for them too - and if they were going against
things I would vote for the other guy.
> Yup. But then they must also have someone to vote for that can
> win.
The policies win - not the person - I am going to vote at the local,
state, federal level for policies, I am going to learn and share
knowledge over the policies with citizens - the people voted in are the
servant of the policies. If you hate a tax cut and so do most of the
other voters that are going to vote - the parties will be sensitive to
this. If every citizen of this nation said NO MORE tax cuts and we will
vote against any politician that does do a tax cut - there are not going
to be tax cuts - that is how our system works. You are worried about
bush and his fellows getting too powerful - if the head of the leviathan
gets too powerful and moves in ways the body does not like - the body
chops them down - it has always happened - always will.
>> Education. And that Mises and his ilk lay off the campaign of
>> disinformation.
>
What if everyone is educated - they know all these issues - they just
dont care to vote or are too lazy - the market has spoken - what are you
bitter about then? That they didn't choose YOUR way?
>> I want people to learn the truth.
>
> And I want them to be able to act on it. The place that SHOULD matter
> is the House of Representatives. The (P)resident in this country
> is supposed to damn well do what the Congress tells him.
If enough VOTERS share your concerns - change will happen - it always
has and always will - peace dude.
If people let thier vote get taken from them, they didn't care enough to
stop it, if the head gets too far out of control, they will chop it off
- if it tries to kill them before they do it - it destroys its own body
and dies with the body. The politicians know they have to be sensitive
to the voters - a starving mexican is probably a more motivated voter
than a fat lazy couch potato. the market speaks and the market always
knows best.
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