Re: Dube, it's Bush, he's a disaster.

From: The Trucker (mikcob_at_verizon.net)
Date: 07/13/04 

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:09:22 -0700

Johnny 5 wrote:

> The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:cct0tl0vo5@news2.newsguy.com:
>
>>> What is the best thing to do
>>> from here on out?
>>
>> Get out of the lands of Islam and leave these people alone.
>
> That is what they want, and if we would leave they would stop cutting off
> our heads maybe.

And this seems to be a problem for your ego.

> They have
>> the right to worship a bean stalk and have sex with a camel if that is
>> what they want to do.
>
> Ok, but you missed my other point, in the nuclear age isolationism is not
> good policy, if the taliban and iran and iraq and jews and arabs all
> start lobbing bioweapons and nuclear and chemical at each other it fucks
> up the whole WORLD, the AIR we ALL breathe - so we can't just walk away.
> We have to be over there to protect our national interests, Global Oil
> supplies too.

Our national interests are best addressed through a more democratic
institution like the UN. But representative democracy is what all
zealots fear. The zealots of Islam and the zealots of Republicanism.
If there is a need to police the middle east based on this type of
threat then ALL of the world's nations should be doing the policing
and not just the US.

> We are the aggressors and we were the
>> aggressors before 9/11. We must stop our aggression if we want
>> lasting peace.
>
> But the jews and arabs and all the rest over there have religious
> differences that have not been resolved for thousands of years, will
> never be resolved it seems,

And that is what sovereignty is all about. To each his own.

> and before when they could only blow
> themselves up with convential weapons it was all good, but now they are
> over a lot of the global energy and we have to protect ourselves and our
> future - walking away is not good policy -

So we need to steal the oil you say?

> if they were hurling rocks at
> each other on saturn that would be OK, we would not be worried, but they
> have nukes and germs and chemicals all over large oil fields - I dont
> think you will ever see another isolationist America - we can't afford to
> walk away anymore.

Ye old weapons of mass destruction again, eh? Why is it that the rest of
the world can afford to let it all go by and we cannot?

>
>> They MAY now want retribution. But it is our aggression that allowed
>> the religious fanatics in the Arab world to create terrorists. The
>> best way to disarm these fanatics is to remove our offending presence
>> from THEIR sovereignties.
>
> I think if we walk away they are all still gonna fight each other - like
> 2 bullies in the playground - so teacher needs to come over and smack
> them upside the head and break them up and cool things off. They had
> millenia to get over thier differences, time didn't help, the killings
> continue, has to be stopped or they could destroy the whole world with
> thier bickering at this point.

Horsecrap. UN resolutions were being adhered to by the Arabs and they
agreed to recognize Israel. But Israel and the US are in league to
steal the oil. That is what is is all about at this point.

>> But why have a war at all?
>
> We determined many decades ago we needed a presence in that area, to
> protect our national interests, they wanted us gone, leaving was not in
> our best policy, after that there was only one conclusion.

Correct: That causes terrorism.

> All the US soldiers in the middle east
>> should be brought to the Texas border to keep the illegals out of the
>> US. Now that, boys and girls, is defense.
>
> Mexico boy is not gonna lob a nuke into the worlds airstream and radiate
> all the oxygen, mexico boy is not gonna create new viruses and chemicals
> for a holy war, mexico boy is not sitting on top of major global oil
> reserves - individually I agree with you, mexico boy is my greatest
> individual fear, but nationally mexico boy is a very small concern to the
> gubbment as compared to the middle east.

I really don't give a twit as to what concerns the prancing fascist
pigs that are our current government. And the more terrorists you
create by stomping all over sovereignty the higher the likelyhood
that some major catastrophe *WILL* occur. 

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