Re: Is there an (objective) definition of wealth?

From: Johnny 5 (johnny5_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 07/20/04 

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:35:01 GMT

"smithaa02" <asdf@asdf.net> wrote in news:40fc8f07_1@newspeer2.tds.net:

> Landowners say, 'who cares how government got the land'. But then

It doesnt matter how they GOT IT, if you dont pay MR property tax man -
Mr Police man comes and boots you off - if they boot off too many people,
they dont get paid and starve to death. Excessive government killed
Rome, the romans let it consume until it had COMPLETELY eaten itself, we
need to be smarter than that.

> they justify their landownership with a long string of historical
> transactions proving that they own the land they claim to (courts take
> this very seriously!) You take the same attitude toward non-land
> components that haven't been justly acquired just like land.

It doesnt matter, when the train companies were no longer making a profit
thier land got redistributed, when walmart can no longer make a profit,
so will theres, when mcdonalds can no longer make a profit, so will thier
land get redistributed - FREE markets rock. big gubbment sucks.

> Consumables are but one sub-component of stored labor.

BWAHAHA - stored labor is as fantasy as santa claus. You can predict the
weather mr PHD Weatherman much better than I can by sticking my head out
the window and seeing if it is raining.

> then they can invest more. If a slaveowner has his slaves pick all
> his food, then the slaveowner can build a nice mansion. Just because
> he built this mansion, doesn't mean it should be his.

The slaves often got to go inside and bang out his sweet little daughter,
I think they liked that much better than being back in africa chucking
spears fighting over a desert cactus.

> Not to get off track, but that is debatable.

Some robin hoods rob the rich for the poor, some rob the poor for the
rich - its all relative.

 If there exists land A,
> serf A and landbaron B, then should if A creates a robot for the
> landbaron to also work the fields, then the serf will have to work
> extra hard, for robot is competing for him with his labor.

HAHA! In a world of LIMITED resources - YES, only enough for so many
mexicans and robots - the USA cant feed 10000 jews on one loaf of bread.

  An
> artificial overpopulation to consume scarce resources... That the
> serf did not pursue the post-robot era work to start with testifies to
> its lessor economic worth, which means the serf will have to work
> extra hard. It gets real fun when the robots start making more
> robots, thus making the peasent insignificant in the eyes of the
> landlord.

At walmart they are making thier suppliers go RFID by jan 2005, no more
need for cashiers - who needs people? They just get in the way of the
FREE MARKET at walmart - its more efficient. Steven wright once said god
is going to pull society over and give us a speeding ticket. HAHA!

>> ??? They'd have to pay to keep the land. That's not the status
>> quo. Everything you say is wrong.
>
> You either charge them too little, to protect the little land owner
> and thus undercharge them (the big landowners), or you charge them too
> much, thus punishing the little landowner. Lose, lose.

You have a class of 30 kids that learn at a median pace, some learn to
slow and delays thier entry into USEFUL work for society, some learn too
fast and dont absorb the material and are useless for society - much more
efficient to teach each individual at thier own best pace and not lump
them together. Lose Lose - gubbment gets in the way of the free market,
freedom - not restriction.

> A still goes to the court and defends his claim on land against C
> because he bought it up from B.

And if A can't pay the property taxes it goes to the tax deed sale.

>> Bingo. Except by the community, which gets the rent.
>
> So the community will pay taxes to itself?

In waycross the gubbment is dying because thier tax base is moving away
to the big city, they are asking the banks and state and feds to give
them money while they take time to attract new businesses and workers to
the area - they did attract a chemical company and gave them a sweet tax
break - but what they dont understand is when this BRIBE is paid up and
the chemical company is supposed to start giving BACK to the community -
in my experience they will just move somewhere that gives them another
good tax break. Capitalism at its finest.

> If LVT can't do anything, then why does it bother?

Less restriction, not more, let the markets decide for themselves what
they want to do and what they are willing to pay.

>> the most productive prospective user. And the taxes would not be
>> "horrendous." They'd be just fractionally more than the second-most
>> productive user would _willingly_ pay for use of the land.
>
> What determines who is the most productive user?

The guy the market is paying the most money too, when bill gates stops
getting payments, and mcdonalds stop getting payments, they will no
longer be valued by thier customers and they will either INNOVATE or
PERISH - let this process happen freely. 

-- 
Government policy in interest rates, and on finance generally, has been 
marked by vacillation, wishful thinking, electoral expediency of the most 
shameful type towards the end of last year, contortions and 
contradictions, all to accommodate the redneck economics of the National 
Country Party. (Harsard Aug.27 1981)

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