Re: The privatization of Water Rights

From: Johnny 5 (johnny5_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 07/20/04 

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:13:53 GMT

royls@telus.net wrote in news:40fcc005.3197233@news.telus.net:

>>Since land is swappable with non-land assets, it is simplistic
>>to identify land parasites merely by present landownership.
>
> No, it is accurate. Whoever holds the land, and however they got it,
> they are thereby getting a flow of benefits from government and the
> community, for which they should rightly pay, and denying others
> access to what nature provided for all, for which they should rightly
> pay.

I pay property taxes, if I dont pay the land goes to a tax deed sale,
even if I DO PAY and the city gubbment wants my land, they get it through
eminent domain, what is the problem? What is so broke that the poor
citizens in my county aren't getting a good shake? If they want to be
RICH, pedro next door to me can take that FREE BOOK I gave him, or go to
the FREE library and start LEARNING - that my PROPERTY TAXES are paying
for - if Pedro wants to go to the casino with his free time - what are
you trying to fix?

> The counterfeiter _originates_ his fraud. Most landowners do not.

It doesn't matter, if the landowner becomes a BLIGHT on society and not
able to PRODUCE, he loses his ability to pay taxes - like the railroads
did - and so they went BANKRUPT and the land got re - allocated.

> It's not a question of believing the truth, but of being able to know
> what it is. We aren't omniscient, so we can't know how rightful
> people's titles to most assets are. With land, we _do_ know, because
> private title to it cannot possibly be rightful.

If I don't pay my land taxes, they sell my property, if the next guy
doesn't pay his, they sell it again, and the third guy, if he finds a way
to MAKE money, he can pay the taxes - what is broke that needs fixing?

> Garbage. It is part of a company's function to yield more value than
> is consumed by its operations (i.e., to make profits), including the
> wages it pays. That is a company's core mission.

But Enron consumed more than it produced, and LTCM did so too, and when
the market collapses we will find lots of them did, we will find that the
shopping machine at the mall bought WAY TOO MANY SHOES beyond what she
could work and pay for and file bankruptcy on her 30K credit card debt.

I hear the dollar has dropped 20% in the past few years, entity backing
the dollar must have consumed more than it produced - what is a trade gap
again?

>>stored labor is zero-sum.
>
> There is no such thing as stored labor.

Many smarties will disagree with you, and whole world markets and
economies work on expectations they can guess the future value of that
stored labor. I give you a loan for a house for 300K assuming you will
be a good hard worker in the future, but you start drinking.

> ??? They are not a gift, because the workers were paid for them
> (except some stuff like the pyramids, which were built with slave
> labor).

I watched another Nova special about the pyramids, the egyptian guy over
there in charge of archaeology of the pyramids, I forget his name, he
said he believes the workers working on that were PROUD to build the
pyraminds, like our workers were proud to build the empire state building
or the golden gate bridge - he had some some proof to back up his claim,
it was a labor of love, not one of oppression. 

-- 
Government policy in interest rates, and on finance generally, has been 
marked by vacillation, wishful thinking, electoral expediency of the most 
shameful type towards the end of last year, contortions and 
contradictions, all to accommodate the redneck economics of the National 
Country Party. (Harsard Aug.27 1981)

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