Re: What happened to Japan?

From: Johnny 5 (johnny5_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 07/21/04 

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:41:48 GMT

Chief <Chief@Home.com> wrote in
news:Xns952CE5E59A764TeePee@216.168.3.44:

> Averages are deceptive numbers. You know that. this country while
> being the wealthest by far is fairly low among industrial nations. 40%
> of americans without health care is a condemnation of the benevolence
> of corporate America. Companies like Walmart and McDonalds
> consistantly report record profits the workers consistantly don't
> share in those profits. Those companies do not have many jobs that
> offer any benefits. Wage stagnation has been a fact throughout this
> unrecovering recovery.

But on the other side of that, me and most of my friends are able to
afford things because of EXXtra low prices that we never had before,
HDTV, nintendo games, etc etc. Did walmart on the national scale really
kill so many jobs compared to the benefit of the goods it delivered to
the masses?

> Family incomes - another deceptive number. When today households
> routinely have two and sometimes three jobs to compare it fairly to
> the single worker families of the 60's one would have to double the
> income of the single worker family - wonder how it would compare
> then. Not only that but when both parents work the expenses do not
> just double, the tax rate is worse, the childcare expenses are high,
> transportation costs and more eat a goodly portion of one income. Come
> on Jim, you can not honestly believe in these arguements your using.

Look, I don't have a nice new lincoln navigator, or a big 10K square foot
house or a walk in spa or a heated backyard pool or steak dinners every
night at 50 bucks a piece at outback, but I have cellphone, and internet,
and a free library - the people that want the LUXURY can work hard and
get all that luxury - my friends working 40-80 hour a week jobs usually
because they trying to keep up with the joneses - buying an Apple G5
instead of a cheap X86 clone, buying bottled water instead of the
communal water fountain, getting a new BMW X5 every year instead of
driving last years model or wearing last years fashion trends in clothes.
Stop spoiling the shopping machine, stop spoiling her little daughter
which is becoming the shopping machine mini me clone and you won't have
to WORK 100 hours a week to keep them happy, the markerting forces of
RETAILING and SERVICES are working against you, its not TRENDY to do your
own nails anymore when you can go pay a nail technician to do it, and if
your man isnt paying a nail technician he doesnt really love you.

The family in the 60's didnt have the luxuries I have, or what the
JONESES have, if they want what I have, they dont have to really change
thier life much, heck they can even work LESS, but if they want what the
JONESES of 2004 are chasing after, then YES the 1960's family is going to
have to work 5 jobs, but they DONT HAVE TO.

> I say we fill our grad schools again with the bright shiny faces of
> American kids.

I cant send the crack head to grad school to LEARN if they dont want too
- what is hard to understand about that? THey want to dance with
brittney and smoke crack rock, not learn economics. You cant FORCE
benevolence and knowledge on someone - that is wasteful.

 You know as well as I do that the percentage of
> Americans kids doing grad work in the hard sciences have been
> declining for years.

THey made the choice to chase after FUN over LEARNING, THIER CHOICE,
THEIR FREEDOM, THEIR FUTURE SUFFERING for STUPID CHOICES. Slant eye is
choosing HARD WORK and boring study, not fun nights at the casino.

Most people are willing to pay more to be amused than to be educated.
~Robert C. Savage, Life Lessons

> They can't compete without a stable family life and an even playing
> field. The stable family has disappeared at the same rate as the
> increase of dual worker families and single parent familes.

Burn the bra some more. Families - as the bra burners tried to redefine
them - does not seem to work, too many chiefs and not enough indians,
every group needs a leader, we have the prez, the towel heads have osama,
the kids have WHO? mom or daddy - daddy says NO, they go cry to mommy,
mommy gets a reversal. Mommy says no, they go cry to daddy, get a
reversal, we are not teaching our kids to listen to mommy or daddy, only
to use mommy and daddy to overturn the other ones power. In china if
daddy says NO, or mommy says NO what happens? The bible said MAN was
head of household, this inherintly puts women in a weaker position, but
there were societies in the past where woman were the celebrated leaders
and men the followers - democracy can cause logjam sometimes and you need
a joan of arc or a moses to LEAD the people to victory, not divide the
power. We seem unable to decide wether hillary or bill holds the reigns
of power.

> It will become less available if the current crop of republicans get
> their way.

What was the congressional voting record for tax on the internet?

> That is not true in my experience. As a military officer I have had
> thousands of kids that society thought were not worth the effort in my
> units.

I met some of your kids going to fort benning, they were crack heads and
heroin users, does that mean they can't be turned around, NO, my father
was an army recruiter and he made men out of criminals that had no
direction in life. But after you give them HOW MANY chances do you give
up on forcing the horse to drink?

> Very few were not able to learn and many started college while
> on active duty. In every unit during the 25 years I was active duty I
> never met one that was not capable of more and most achived more.

Given a good structued environment that encourages self respect and
teamwork we all are gonna do better. Why just do this in the military,
why not do it in society in general? Why was my dad paid to only turn
criminals into soldiers and not into ghandi?

 In
> this country we take kids that live in poor families and because poor
> people live in poor school districts we give them a poor education.

That soldier you trained to kill a man, why couldn't you train him to
read engineering and programming books? Why does history of warfare have
to be what is taught and brings the criminals together instead teaching
economics and the history of free trade?

> After they graduate they are faced with a poor job with a poor future.

Look, Nike is telling them to buy 200 dollar shoes instead of going to
the library, Brittney is teaching them it is cool to SPIT on your
boyfriend, Jadakiss is teaching them to get that bitch brittney they have
to get her hooked on crack rock because she wont respect some geek at the
library, but she will respect a soldier that murders men and a crack
dealer that controls the HIGH. We have not broke the chain of violence,
we still glorify the alpha male that is violent and rebellious and self
destructive.

> While they are living this poor life we show them the life styles of
> the rich and famous, show them BMW adds and CNN runs stories on
> whether to buy an American Yacht or a cheaper Chinese Yacht.

Right, give the children or force the children to watch BEn Kingsley in
Ghandi - don't let them see that Jadakiss with his 9mm and crack rock
dealings gets all the chicks - do you know wesley snipes had to go to a
CRACK HOUSE and sleep with a CRACK HEAD to get him some strange - you
know what kind of message that sends to ME? That a man that successful,
that famous couldnt get basic human needs met any other way - I want to
think its because its so HARD any other way than a crack head - not that
he prefers dealing with crack heads over regular people, that hugh grant
had to go rent a hooker because hurley was being a bitch that day - I
dont know - maybe hugh is a real *** but maybe it is hurley that was
the real bitch, sure there are guys that are real assholes, but I know a
lot of GOOD MILITARY guys that would die for thier family without a
hesitation and all they want is for thier shopping machines to love them
and give them some nookie and she keeps stringing that donkey along with
a never delivered carrot. I see this with too many of my friends, - my
friends being the wimpy geeks and not the alpha male crack dealer. They
keep buying more and more dinners for the chicks, more and more being
NICE to them, more and more BITCHING out to their whims, and crack dealer
is getting what the wimpy geek really wants some tender loving. With all
thier knowledge they can't see that brittney and jadakiss are influencing
the cool factor and the marketers have a NEED to DIVIDE us - gender being
a way to divide us - for you dont make money with a peaceful society, you
make MONEY starting a war between men and women and then supplying arms
to both sides. The bitch liberals on one side, the *** republicans
on the other. You think the people that sell political elephant and
donkey posters want the reds and the blues to get together - they will
lose thier business model.

 After a
> while some join the military I took those kids who were totally
> defeated at the ripe old age of 18 and gave them opportunity,
> structure, and dignity.

Right, because for some reason it was worth paying my dad to do this when
a SOLDIER was needed, but not when a GOOD PEACEFUL CITIZEN was needed -
we let our mutlicorps and entertainment institutions DIVIDE US so they
can sell arms to both sides - the division is irrelevant, black white,
girl boy, old young smart dumb.

In the 60's I could hang out at the coffee shop and meet some cool chicks
and have a good time, but now that is EVIL.

 Those kids are the ones who are the members of
> the best military in the world and it is the best because of them.
> Those soldiers doing their jobs in Iraq or Afghanistan or putting out
> fires in the west are not the sons of the wealthy or in most cases not
> the sons of the middle class.

What do the wealthy know that you don't? Hmmmm.

 They are the kids that some folks
> decided were not worth the effort and they were wrong.

They were not worth the effort if you wanted a peaceful citizen, you only
got PAID to MAKE them into MEN because it was worth the effort to FIGHT
WARS and MURDER MEN. Why did you work for pay making soldiers? Jesus
fished for men for FREE - not for the pay of the roman army.

 This country
> needs to have a national service requirement just so the average

Oh great, I would expect that from a person who believes training DEATH
is the way to prosperity, why did you take criminals and my father take
criminals and make MEN out of them for PAY and jesus didn't take MONEY
from the roman army to make soldiers, but went out in the society and
made GHANDIs and MOTHER theresas for FREE. Israel has a 2 year mandatory
service - *** THAT *** - YOU ARE WRONG. Make love, not war soldier.

> middle class and upper class kids can see that their is no birth
> right, no genetic difference, and no inherent laziness or stupidity
> among the lower classes.

Church does that already or is supposed too, without teaching military
history, bloodshed in the name of freedom, or how to kill your fellow man
with a bullet or hand to hand combat trooper.

> Sure you can. If the kid see a light at the end of the tunnel he will
> seek the light.

I saw brittneys ***, and only one way for wesley snipes and hugh grant
to get it.

The republicans turn the light off and wonder why
> those stupid kids get lost. If a HS diploma made a difference they
> would seek it. Today it doesn't lead to a better job or a brighter
> future. We need to extend public education to 2 years of college or
> trade school.

You can get on the web at the free public library and learn at your own
pace anything you want, but humans are lazy, its a lot easier to get
brittney on crack rock to get what you want than to work 20 years and
hope she chooses to give it to you willingly when her whole life her
mother said DONT do that and to SELL it to you for a continously
increasing price.

>> Actually it WAS the desire of families to work hard and to sacrifice
>> for the future of their children that made the US great. And if/when
>> we lose that, we will fall behind other countries (like China and
>> India) that still have it.
>>
> I disagree. The families than lived in this country for the first
> one
> hundred years were not less capable, less hard working. Public
> education helped some in the last part of the century. The labor
> reforms of Teddy Roosevelt help some and the inventiveness of
> Americans helped some. But it wasn't until after WWII, after the
> social and labor reforms of FDR and Truman that America became a great
> country. In my opinion those reforms would have been less or
> nonexistant without the tremendous struggle our fathers and
> grandfathers endured with the great depression followed by a world
> war. Because the struggle was shared by all Americans from all classes
> the shared sacrifice muted the normal conservative voices of the time.
> Today those voices are now back in the main stream and loudly
> preaching selfishness, greed, inconsideration and the protection of
> wealth to the detriment of the common good.

Listen up lefties:

Teddy Roosevelt "There is no room in this country for hyphenated
Americanism...The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to
ruin...would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling
nationalities."
(Speech, New York, 1915)

No more african-americans, no more cuban-americans, no more POP stars
DIVIDING us, no more jadakiss, ricky martin, or brittney using race as a
way to PRESERVE independent culture and IDENTITY. BURN THE DUMB LIBERALS
that would FRACTURE our great nation, BURN THEM AT THE STAKE with their
AFRICAN AMERICANISM. There is ONE AMERICA, not africa, mexico, and cuba
AMERICA. One language, ENGLISH.

Bush said PISS on the NAACP, Kerry is licking thier DIARHHEA, the NAACP
is EVIL if you believe what TEDDY ROOSEVELT said. No AFRICAN AMERICAN,
just AMERICANS.

Monoculture, not multi-culturalism.

You are right blackie, Africa is a BLACK thing and I WOULDNT understand,
so go back to AFRICA if you dont want to be an AMERICAN, I came from
SCOTLAND but I dont go around saying SCOTTISH american or IRISH american,
what ***!

> The one I believe was the real reason was the military was losing is
> ability to stage out of Saudi Arabia. The militant fundimentalist's
> were forcing the Saudi Royals to ask us to leave. The US remained safe
> during the cold war by basing close to the threat. We needed a base
> close to the threat. Afghanistan by itself could provide that because
> Saddam did have the weapons to reach across his border and would more
> than likely use them. He also remained a threat to Saudi Arabia and
> Kuwait. Saddam had to go.
>
> It's an arguement that might have eventually gotten the approval of
> the American people. But Bush chose to fabricate, stretch, and obscure
> instead. Having the war might or might not have been a mistake - time
> will tell. Being dishonest was a mistake.

It is horrible to be lied too, but the leviathan at the top maybe feels
LYING to us is getting things done that will HELP all of us, isn't it
better to EDUCATE us to the TRUTH and let us make up our own minds, I am
more accepting of slick willies moral failure to keep his *** out of
monicas mouth than for his LIE that he never did it, the same for bush or
any politicians, you want to be my servant, you tell me the truth, cause
your dirty secrets start causing problems. How are any of us supposed to
learn if we keep getting lied too.

>> ??? An even larger fraction of the population is now in the
>> workforce than was in the 1960's
>>
> Not a good thing - no one to raise the children.

Yes there is SOMEONE to raise the children, the daycare center, grandma,
the welfare department, big brother and big multicorp - NIKE ads, MTV,
MOVIES, TV, JadaKISS, the MILITARY recruiter, Nintendo, Spongebob, the
PREACHER - Jesus, Saddam the FCC. The crackdealer. Oreilly, HAHA! There
are lots of inputs kids are getting today because mommy and daddy dont
want to be nursemaids.

Burning the BRA turned our baby makers and mothers into bitch ***
business execs - burn some more bra's Leftie. Tell brittney HER CAREER
is more important than the CHILDREN she could mother and raise.

>> Break even with the 1.6 million immigrants each year? I hear Kerry
>> wants to create 10 million new jobs for those 8 million Americans he
>> say want a job. So are we to assume the other 2 million jobs are for
>> the immigrants that will come for them?
>
> Arguing Bush's job creation with pessimistic speculation isn't going
> to work. Bush will go down as the first president since Hoover to have
> a net jobs loss. That is a dismal performance. To argue that doing
> anything different might set another record is a little weak.

Who wants to work anymore? For what? The donkey gets TIRED of chasing
that carrot after awhile and just SITS DOWN.

> By November the cash from refinancing will have been spent. Consumer
> debt will take a toll on American families as the interest rates go
> up. I predict a depression if Bush goes four more years. The

I predict all economic events are tied to population factors in strong
ways, and having a bunch of babies and then telling them to NOT BREED
because you will be a mans bitch and BURN you bra takes this country from
47 workers to 1 SS benefeciary in the past to 2 workers to 1 beneficiary
by 2030 and that you think any one MAN, bush or kerry or Brittney has the
power to alter that shows ignorance - Brittney cant squirt them out fast
enough at this point - we didn't smooth out the population shocks and the
titanic is going down, and you down in 3rd class arguing with the richies
up in 1st class is not gonna stop the boat from sinking, putting in a new
captain is not gonna stop the boat from sinking, its going DOWN - we
already hit the iceberg - changing captains at this point MAKES NO
DIFFERENCE - WAKE UP.

> Again extremes only point out the lack of a reasonable arguement.

I agree, why do you think wether bush or kerry is in office will make a
difference to the coming baby boomers that are about to retire and dont
have enough young to buy thier debt, buy thier bonds, and pay thier SS?

>>
> We need a visionary leader and a manhattan project to find the next
> source of cheap sustainable energy. Not a man with one foot in the era
> of Mckinnley and the other in his mouth.

Nuclear energy is already HERE, but if the TITANIC has already struck the
iceberg - how does changing the captain stop it from going down???

>> want to learn. Will you be teaching them to field strip an AK 47?
>> (just kidding).
>
> I flew for twenty five years and you would never guess in a million
> years what I'll be teaching.

I would hope it is peace and love, and not war and military discipline.

> 3D computer animation. Us right brained liberals are all frustrated
> artists at heart.

HAHA! Right, you wanted peace and love and acceptance, didn't get it in
the peaceful society, got thrown into warfare and found an acceptance you
never found in peace - this confuses you.

> I really can't wait to show these kids the opportunity that exists
> today in that field. I'll bet in a few years John Wayne and Cary Grant
> will be acting again as digital stars. Someday a digital actor will
> win the academy award for best actor in a feature film. Instead of one
> grossly overpaid actor walking to the podium a troop of dozens will
> accept the award - a liberals dream. Turning the wealth of one into
> the success of many instead of one more Cezanne for the rec. room.

Yah I watched Simone - what did you think of the Movie? 

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shameful type towards the end of last year, contortions and 
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