Re: How Tax Supporters Killed Rome and why ROY L is wrong
From: Johnny 5 (johnny5_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 07/23/04
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:38:25 GMT
royls@telus.net wrote in news:410175cb.16702214@news.telus.net:
> The doctors and other people with high _earned_incomes_ aren't the
> ones who should be paying the taxes; and under land taxation, they
> wouldn't. The rich would. Which is why they oppose land taxation far
> more than income taxation. Duh.
You are never gonna be able to COLLECT, I don't care how you ASSESS it,
that is NOT the real issue. The IRS cannot COLLECT what they know they
are OWED now, the pinellas county tax office CANNOT collect thier
Property Tax.
>>It seems from the
>>article I linked too it's not necessarily that the current taxes
>>haven't identified people that need to pay, just that they aren't
>>paying, and the irs man can't seem to get them to pay - how will that
>>change with land tax?
>
> You need to read it again. These guys _aren't_filing_. Land taxes
> don't require the taxpayers to file. They would just get a bill, and
> if they didn't pay, they'd lose the land.
You believe that up in your Ivory Tower, but they aren't doing a good job
ENFORCING that in Pinellas county. I know that is TRUE in MANY places
besides just Pinellas County, Visa isn't doing a good job collecting
either, COLLECTIONS Roy L.
>>In Rome they were just not able to ENFORCE the tax on the people
>>most able to pay it,
>
> No, they were exempt by law.
BWAHAHA! Who makes the law today, see you are never gonna WIN, the fox
is always gonna OUTFOX you.
http://www.pacificnet.net/~johnr/cgi/aesop1.cgi?sel&TheFoxandtheHedgehog
The Fox and the Hedgehog
A FOX swimming across a rapid river was carried by the force of
the current into a very deep ravine, where he lay for a long time
very much bruised, sick, and unable to move. A swarm of hungry
blood-sucking flies settled upon him. A Hedgehog, passing by,
saw his anguish and inquired if he should drive away the flies
that were tormenting him. "By no means," replied the Fox; "pray
do not molest them." "How is this?' said the Hedgehog; "do you
not want to be rid of them?' "No," returned the Fox, "for these
flies which you see are full of blood, and sting me but little,
and if you rid me of these which are already satiated, others
more hungry will come in their place, and will drink up all the
blood I have left."
>>whatever the tax is, kaiser soze is always gonna
>>find a way out.
>
> Nope. Requiring taxpayers to reveal their incomes and calculate their
> own tax liabilities is just an open invitation to evasion.
Rome couldn't collect, the IRS can't today, henry george couldn't 100
years ago, the french physiocrats that tried it in the 1750 couldn't - NO
CAN DO. Visa can't, Rent to Own can't, CANT COLLECT. The rich will
always use you HORSE - FOOL you and USE you! You cant beat KAISER.
http://www.pacificnet.net/~johnr/cgi/aesop1.cgi?sel&TheHorseHunterandStag
The Horse, Hunter and Stag
A quarrel had arisen between the Horse and the Stag, so the
Horse came to a Hunter to ask his help to take revenge on the
Stag. The Hunter agreed, but said: "If you desire to conquer the
Stag, you must permit me to place this piece of iron between your
jaws, so that I may guide you with these reins, and allow this
saddle to be placed upon your back so that I may keep steady upon
you as we follow after the enemy." The Horse agreed to the
conditions, and the Hunter soon saddled and bridled him. Then
with the aid of the Hunter the Horse soon overcame the Stag, and
said to the Hunter: "Now, get off, and remove those things from my
mouth and back."
"Not so fast, friend," said the Hunter. "I have now got you
under bit and spur, and prefer to keep you as you are at present."
If you allow men to use you for your own purposes,
they will use you for theirs.
>>that the real problem?
>
> Don't pay the land tax, lose the land. Simple.
Ahh if the REAL world were only thaT EASY and black and white - you are
smarter than this. Do not count your chickens before they Hatch Tax
COllector:
http://www.pacificnet.net/~johnr/cgi/aesop1.cgi?sel&TheMilkmaidandHerPail
The Milkmaid and Her Pail
Patty the Milkmaid was going to market carrying her milk in a
Pail on her head. As she went along she began calculating what
she would do with the money she would get for the milk. "I'll buy
some fowls from Farmer Brown," said she, "and they will lay eggs
each morning, which I will sell to the parson's wife. With the
money that I get from the sale of these eggs I'll buy myself a new
dimity frock and a chip hat; and when I go to market, won't all
the young men come up and speak to me! Polly Shaw will be that
jealous; but I don't care. I shall just look at her and toss my
head like this. As she spoke she tossed her head back, the Pail
fell off it, and all the milk was spilt. So she had to go home
and tell her mother what had occurred.
"Ah, my child," said the mother,
"Do not count your chickens before they are hatched."
>>Oh but the article clearly says BILLIONS have not been unidentified,
>>MR IRS knows it's due - he has found it, they just can't GET IT for
>>some reason, BILLIONS of dollars.
>
> ??? Nonsense. The IRS doesn't know how much they owe. They haven't
> filed.
You will NEVER beat the FOX - EVER:
http://www.pacificnet.net/~johnr/cgi/aesop1.cgi?
sel&TheLiontheBearandtheFox
The Lion, the Bear, and the Fox
A LION and a Bear seized a Kid at the same moment, and fought
fiercely for its possession. When they had fearfully lacerated
each other and were faint from the long combat, they lay down
exhausted with fatigue. A Fox, who had gone round them at a
distance several times, saw them both stretched on the ground
with the Kid lying untouched in the middle. He ran in between
them, and seizing the Kid scampered off as fast as he could. The
Lion and the Bear saw him, but not being able to get up, said,
"Woe be to us, that we should have fought and belabored ourselves
only to serve the turn of a Fox."
It sometimes happens that one man has all the toil, and another
all the profit.
>>Wether they are owed the tax by income
>>taxes or land taxes, they just can't seem to get paid, never have,
>>weren't in Rome, aren't today.
>
> Garbage. Property taxes have the highest level of compliance of any
> commonly used tax.
Rich income tax cheats, rich land tax cheats, RICH CHEATS being the key
qualifier - you are NEVER gonna GET them, I have seen these CHEATS, these
RICH CHEATS, and they are always gonna outfox you. Rich land owners beat
PROPERTY taxes, RICH wage earners beat INCOME taxes - always have, always
will.
They are never gonna PAY you:
http://www.pacificnet.net/~johnr/cgi/aesop1.cgi?
sel&TheWoodmanandtheSerpent
The Woodman and the Serpent
One wintry day a Woodman was tramping home from his work when
he saw something black lying on the snow. When he came closer he
saw it was a Serpent to all appearance dead. But he took it up
and put it in his bosom to warm while he hurried home. As soon as
he got indoors he put the Serpent down on the hearth before the
fire. The children watched it and saw it slowly come to life
again. Then one of them stooped down to stroke it, but thc
Serpent raised its head and put out its fangs and was about to
sting the child to death. So the Woodman seized his axe, and with
one stroke cut the Serpent in two. "Ah," said he,
"No gratitude from the wicked."
-- Government policy in interest rates, and on finance generally, has been marked by vacillation, wishful thinking, electoral expediency of the most shameful type towards the end of last year, contortions and contradictions, all to accommodate the redneck economics of the National Country Party. (Harsard Aug.27 1981)
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