Re: Greenspan says Skills are KILLING us

From: Johnny 5 (johnny5_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 07/26/04 

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:24:03 GMT

Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> wrote in
news:7qk8g01jgtu0ctfavpq2kc8odiml8oma8o@4ax.com:

>>www.direcway.com - satellite internet, I have used this, works great
>>and superfast and only 50 bucks a month. Don't need a Cable, we are
>>living in the wireless Age.
>
> Looked into that. The upload is even _slower_ than dialup.

You are wrong, more proof you have been MISINFORMED and have let your
negative thinking beat you:

http://www.copperhead.cc/speed.html

The upload speed test was done using FTP of a 2,000KB file to a web
server. Tests were run for 5 consecutive days and the results here are
the averages of those tests. The system used for testing is on the 990
frequency transponder using an RWIN setting of 474280.

                                       8:00 AM : 3,063kbs DOWNLOAD
(13058ms) / 76kbs UPLOAD

                                      11:30 AM : 2,930kbs DOWNLOAD
(13650ms) / 45kbs UPLOAD

                                       6:00 PM : 1,943kbs DOWNLOAD
(20590ms) / 39kbs UPLOAD

                                      11:30 PM : 2,493kbs DOWNLOAD
(16043ms) / 41kbs UPLOAD

I have personally used DirecWay - it is faster than dial up on uploading
- I get about 50K on direcway, about the same on my verizon wireless cell
phone with data - on dial up I get about 4K - ten times slower - quit
being silly - you make yourself sound like a fool. Do you have sprint or
verizon wireless signal where you live? You are a negative thinker, you
have beat yourself before you even begin.

  Part of
> the reason I want it is to upload my digital pictures, either to
> web-pages or e-mail to friends with high-speed access.

50K sure beats 4k - why are you an idiot?

>
>>
>>> 3rd-world area of the country known as King George, Va. where the
>>> power goes off at the drop of a hat,
>>
>>You can get solar arrays and battery backups and generators - I live
>>in Florida, Lightning capitol of the world, power going out all the
>>time, go to www.ebay.com and do a search for APC backup - you can get
>>hours of backup for mere dollars. I did. Power went out last week
>>for 4 hours, I didn't go down.
>
> These things would be on their knees the 1st time my 6 KW electric
> water heater kicked in... probably explode...

Quit being silly. You don't need a water heater to RUN your computer.

> Not that kind of job - a job with an income. Its all about income.
> "Free" and "Volunteer" is a non-starter...

Its not all about INCOME, that you believe this lie shows how much more
of a FOOL you are.

> My card is insured. Some internet thieves _did_ get ahold of my
> number last year. Didn't cost me a thing.

Is your card insured if your bitch wife or shopping machine daughter
sneaks it out and spends la vida loca? They can't do that on a secured
credit card. Sometimes you have to protect daughter and wifey from
themselves and thier weak emotions.

>>Some of them got a job delivering pizza,
>
> What a poor sort of outcome.

You are WRONG, several of them liked that job, it was FUN. They were
HAPPIER than when they worked at IBM under all those RULES - INCOME is
NOT the only thing life is about - HAPPINESS should be - you serve the
dollar though, you are a slave to the dollar, you will never be happy,
you need help. I feel sorry for you.

> For what? What could they get that won't eventually be taken over by
> foreigners working for 1/2 the fair wages, or less?

I would rather Pedro work out in the fields picking the crops while I
watch the free movies at the library, wouldn't you? That sun is HOT.
 
>
>>some used the opportunity to hang out and take it easy for awhile like
>>I did and didn't WORK at all.
>
> I like the idea of no work, but only if my income doesn't go down...
> <G>

INCOME SMEMCOME - forget about it, I know rich people that are MISERABLE,
and poor pedro is HAPPY - who has the better life?

> than $6K a year. But as for monster.com, just try it.

No thanks, I already did my slavery under the dollar, I am happier now
poor.

  There are
> hundreds of thousands of _American_ workers in my field that are out
> of work _because_ they are American and expect a salary commensurate
> with the cost of the education they paid for.

http://slashdot.org/articles/04/07/25/2022203.shtml?tid=126 Africa is
coming for you too, let pedro pick the crops, let africa write the
programs, lets me and you go watch free movies and play free games at the
library or go to the Free Hubble program they have at the museum - play
is FUN.

 Plus, I'm over 50 -
> almost 60. There _is_ rampant age discrimination in IT.

Let it go, all work and no play makes you boring and hateful. Take it
easy citizen, we all die in the end.

 I probably
> couldn't finish a retraining program to some other field that would
> pay as much as I get now,

There is more to life than money, that you preach this makes me sad for
you and anyone else that listens to your garbage.

> Had a friend work himself to death with _real_ work, the kind you get
> paid for, earlier this year. He was pretty high-level, tho - even a
> member of a Presidential council of some sort - reading improvement in
> schools, I think it was. But he was working on a Sunday in a motel
> room in Florida when he just keeled over with a heart attack.

All work and no play make jack go crazy and have stroke. Stress kills.

> There's no danger of me working that hard. I work hard enough to make
> the money I get, and don't much seek more, as it would complicate my
> life too much.

MONEY MONEY MONEY, green IOU's - you are sick - do you understand this -
there is MORE to life than MONEY. I live better than you on 1/100th the
INCOME, next decade if the american economy goes bust and your pension
fund is wiped out and they say SORRY, you will be one of those idiots
that jump off the bridge because his whole mental process is about MONEY,
not happiness, I hope your children didn't get infected by your evil
bull*** thinking - or they are going off the bridge too.

 I've always avoided management, for instance, as I
> believe it would be capable of generating the sort of worry that would
> prove fatal, like my friend earlier this year.

You might as well Jump into management Dilbert, you seem pretty fucking
worried to me, relax.

  Need to keep the job
> reigned in to a 9 to 5 thing, walk away from it then, don't be
> worrying about it all the time. I'd worry about it all the time if I
> were a manager.

Like you do MONEY and PENSIONS, both of which could be worthles tomorrow,
were you the kind of guy that jumped off buildings in 1929 or who sucked
it up and kept on working? Your FEAR hurts MY SOCIETY, you are a cancer
that needs to be eradicated.

  No way... just be an Indian. I'm a fairly decent
> Indian, tho... <G>

Native American or that other kind of Indian? :)

> The pendulum will swing back to the democrat side of things eventually
> - that's what it'll take to get something like that done. Republicans
> will never do it. I vote republican, just because of the gun issue,

Guns, soon to be gone, replaced by tasers and ionizing weapons, no need
to kill what you can stun.

> but agree with a lot of what the democrats believe in, too. If the
> damn dems weren't out to collect up all the guns every time we turn
> around... but they are.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir_cap

Tasers and other non lethal weapons are just as good to subdue a criminal
or corrupt politician as a gun, why not give peace and non lethality a
chance? I lost a nephew when he was 13 because him and a friend were
playing with a gun, a taser wouldn't have killed him :(

> But, does he know anything at all about working in a team,

If not, he can learn.

 gathering
> requirements, _not missing_ any requirements, keeping track of them
> with respect to the code with a tracability matrix,

Do you want a worker who has learned to be spoonfed knowledge through a
UNI education or a worker who sees problems and fixes them without
spoonfeeding?

  how to institute
> a development process that will get everyone working together, etc,
> etc. Very little is done by 1 person working alone - the significant
> software is done by teams, usually large teams.

Hmmm, I use Xnews to read sci-econ - written by one guy with delphi and
it was FREE to me. www.sourceforge.net shows there are MANY TEAMS not
needing uni education or INCOME to get things done.

  Windows 2000 was a
> 6000-member team, working together, making a new build of the software
> _every day_ for continuous integration and smoke test.

The mythical man month, Linux is taking over the server market - it is
FREE.

 Simply
> programming Python, or any other language, and 25 cents will get you a
> cup of coffee in the company cafeteria. You need more,

Development history at sourceforge showing you know your stuff, being
able to ace tests that idiots from UNI don't know the first answer too.

There were people at IBM in the token ring group who had masters and
PHd's - but they weren't making any more progress in the area - the guys
over in ethernet was making the company money.

 and you ain't
> gonna get it via self study unless you're really, really exceptional.

I want the exceptional guy that gets things done, that the uni spoon fed
robot who can't think outside the box.

>>Would not have taken a foreign language if it was not
>>REQUIRED, english has worked fine for my life.
>
> See!!!

It is more efficient for me to learn FRENCH when I NEED it, than to take
brain cells and time learning it and then never USING it - SEE!

You don't store your entire lifetimes supply of toilet paper, food, and
gasoline do you? You just go get it when you NEED them.

>>But there are many jobs that want EXPERIENCED workers, not paper
>>without experience - www.monster.com. Go here
>>http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechgoodwillhuntin
>>g. html and read or play the audio file - Good Will Hunting.
>
> Just try and get one...

I have held many. Now I choose to sit on the beach and fish and chase
bikinis - HAHA!

>>But you are, 20 years ago the super rich don't have what the super
>>poor do today,
>
> Now you're being silly...

I am being honest, I would much rather be a poor man in America today
than a rich king in jesus's time or a rich billionaire in rockefellers
time - you are the one being silly and spewing stupidity.

> The super poor 20, 200, 2000 years from now will still have the same
> problems they had 20, 200, and 2000 years ago - food, shelter, etc.

I think we are gonna fix that problem as a world, you are going to let
your negative thinking keep you worried and stressed your whole life, not
me.

> There's just gonna be a _lot_ more of 'em, proportionally, than there
> has been for a really long time, in the near future if the outsourcing
> / H1B thing is allowed to go unchecked.

We will just disagree on that.

> No, they're not. You're being silly.

Ok rockefeller, go back to your billions in 1890, I will take my 2
dollars in 1990. And would trade that for 1 dollar in 2090.

>>Genetic drugs, genetic modifications, virtual entertainment, space
>>travel, the future is getting better all the time.
>
> Those will only be for people who can pay a lot of money for them.

NOt true, the rising tide takes us ALL up.

> I don't want to _go_ _anywhere_ to use the internet.

Get a cellphone, I can access the internet anywhere I am - don't even
have to go to my computer now. Oh thats rock Rockefeller and
Vanderbuilt, even with all your billions you don't have a cell phone do
you? BWAHAHAHAH!

 I'm going to do
> it from right here... Besides, the library is closed now, has been
> all day, and I want to be able to do this anytime of the day or night.

www.direcway.com www.verizonwireless.com www.sprintpcs.com all faster
on DOWNLOAD and UPLOAD than your current dial up stupid.

> Libraries are non-starters. They're just storage anyway - what they
> offer is supposed to be able to be used at home - the books, tapes,
> CDs. Hanging around a library to use the internet is poverty in
> itself - having to _go somewhere_ to do something like that is a
> non-starter...

Where do you go Mr 1890's Vanderbuilt BILLIONAIRE to get INFO I can get
with 10 dollars and a cellphone with a built in wireless net connection
or PDA or laptop with wireless PCMCIA card? BWAHAHAH! YOU LOSE!

>>Ownership is a bad concept.
>
> Not if you're the owner...

BWAHAHA!

>>I eat sweet potatoes grown outside in my back yard - they won't get my
>>money.
>
> If you want to do that sort of work, go right ahead.

I don't, I want Pedro or a robot to do it - I am lazy too, you are the
one saying LETS SAVE THE JOBS FOR AMERICANS - you contradict yourself and
make yourself look dumb. I want the africans writing the programs I need
if they can do it cheaper, as long as I can get the BENEFITS, I want
pedro picking the crops as long as I get the benefits, I want Bill Gates
making BILLIONS as long as I get the benefits, I want walmart killing mom
and pop as long as it increases my benefits and doesn't cause children to
DIE.

 I want to do
> computer work, get money that way, pay it for the damn sweet potato at
> the grocery, and eat it at home, later.

You cant get money in computer work anymore, but that does NOT MEAN your
BENEFITS reduce, just because towel head and africa boy are writing the
programs now, DOES NOT mean you do not BENEFIT from thier labor, just
because pedro picks the crops instead of you does not mean YOU DONT
BENEFIT from his labor, you want the BENEFITS but dont understand what
BRINGS BETTER BENEFITS - it is not staying rich like rockefeller - it is
letting cheaper sources of labor and progress come in and make things
better for us ALL!

  I don't want to be spending
> my time with plows and fertilizer and etc... If I did, I'd probably
> turn Amish...

BWAHAHA! Even they are starting to use gas powered washing machines I
hear, the BENEFIT from gasoline even though they no longer do the manual
labor to produce the benefit. You dont have to be the CODER to benefit
from the work of FREE linux programmers. Why is your head fucked up in
that regard?

> You tend to have no income, which leads to getting thrown out of your
> apartment for non-payment of rent,

I left my 1100 a month apartment in RTP, NC when I left IBM, I have a
paid for 1974 singlewide trailer that I pay about 40 a year in taxes on,
keeps the rain off my back just as good - is smaller so cheaper to heat
and cool.

tends to make you hungry a lot from
> inability to buy food,

I used to buy 50 dollars for 1 lobster dinner, my cholesterol was over
300, now I pay 2 dollars for a pound of sweet potatoes at the market or
walmart - eat for 3 days, and my cholesterol is almost 200 and I feel
BETTER too, more money is not the happiness you pretend it is, I feel
sorry for your children you taught that evil lie too, pathetic.

gets you to a place where you don't have health
> insurance so you die from an infection you had to wait too long to get
> treated at someone else's expense,

The 50 dollars and lobsters were killing me, the 2 dollars and sweet
potatoes are saving my life - you LOSE.

 etc. etc. I really, really hate
> unemployment - actually hate the lack of income, but practically its
> the same thing.

Lack of income is not LIFE, is not HEALTH, is NOT HAPPINESS< that you
have been sold this LIE is very sad to me, God said you can't serve 2
masters, you serve MONEY obviously, I feel for you when that fat pension
dries up because of insolvency, It will be like Rockefeller having
billions took out of his bank account but given a cellphone and
cholesterol lowering medicine, his life will BE BETTER, but his slavery
to the dollar will cause him to committ suicide - PATHETIC. Well nature
has a way of getting rid of fools. Bye Bye Fool, you won't be missed.

>>I like watching free movies and
>>playing video games and programming free software for you and the
>>other 6 billion on the planet to use instead of being like my friend
>>Jack that just stacked boxes to make busy work.
>
> Have fun.

I do, and wether the pension dries up or not I still will, I know life is
about happiness, not a slave to green pieces of paper like other fools.

  I don't like watching free movies unless they're in a free
> theater with free popcorn and free coke.

Rockefeller just WISHES with all his billions in 1890 he could go to the
1 dollar theater I go to with FULL COLOR and SURROUND SOUND and get a 2
dollar coke - he was lucky to go to a black and white film with NO sound
and get infected water with bacteria - he had billions, I got 5 bucks,
you are a fucking idiot.

>>> The very, very poor of today have the same problems they've always
>>> had - eating, staying warm in the winter, etc.
>>
>>There is food at practically every homeless shelter and church in this
>>country, you are wrong, hunger is a CHOICE in the USA.
>
> No, there is nowhere near enough to go around.

You are a fucking IDIOT.

>
> Whatever - you want to live off someone else's efforts, you are indeed

We all live buy by the grace of god, or the big bang, or whatever else
created this place and time we exist in - you are a fucking idiot.

> a bum. I would not, and will not be a bum unless there is absolutely
> no other choice.

You did not create yourself FOOL. From dust you came, back to dust you
shall go.

Fighting the H1Bs and outsourcing nonsense is one of
> the ways I attempt to avoid becoming a bum.

Rockefeller and Ceaser WISH they could have the life THIS BUMB lives -
they are spinning in thier graves GREEN with ENVY.

> Well, I don't know what you're up to, really. The only honorable way
> to make zero money and live that way is if you've saved up a ton all
> by yourself, or are accepting it from someone that is willing to give
> it.

I am accepting it from my RICH country, free library, free movies, free
books, FREE beach, money is not happiness, you are a fucking idiot - you
will have a stroke when your pension collapses and I will laugh at you
while you go back to dust - BWAHAHAHA!

 That, BTW, doesn't include any source paid from taxes, nor any
> limited resources meant for people that are incapable of making enough
> money for their sustinance. There's no such thing a a free lunch.

Who or what made the universe - you didn't, who or what made the earth,
you didn't - you are the WORST kind of BUMB, a hypocritical BUMB, you
make me want to PUKE.

> Someone always has to make an effort to make lunch happen.

That you think you are god or the big bang will cause you no end of
misery the rest of your life, while you are plugging away at 4K on your
silly dialup waiting for DSL - I am next door on my cellphone and
direcway uploading at 50K getting my family all the big digital pictures
and we are laughing at your stupidity.

Most
> rightly, the person doing the consuming is the person that should be
> doing the effort.

You didn't create the oil, you didn't grow the sweet potato - you are
just one big ball of contradictions arent you BUMB?

>>Your timeframe sucked, I would have committed suicide if I had to live
>>in that ***, no cell phone, no internet, no Jon Stewart, no Futurama,
>>how depressing :(
>
> The 60's were a gas, tho...

I get all your 60's culture and books and media I want, plus the 70's,
80's, and 90's. I like watching Madonna some, and the beatles some.

>>My friend is a bumb in keywest, he goes scuba diving all the time, FOR
>>FREE. He said the FREE lobster he catches is mighty tasty down there
>>in KEY WEST. BUt I know your type, you would rather pay that foriegn
>>worker in red lobster 50 dollars a plate so you dont have to get off
>>your fat ass rather than go catch them for FREE yourself.
>
> If you _have_ to fish for it, hunt for it, work the soil for it, it
> isn't free. That's known as WORK.

He didn't make the lobster, or the planet the lobster grew on, or the
universe the planet exists in, we are all bumbs you fucking fool.

  Its just a different kind of work
> (the kind I don't want to do...) I want to work with tech stuff, get

You can.

> paid for it,

You can, but less and less. The benefits will be more and more for your
less and less pay though.

 and buy the sort of stuff that I would otherwise find
> myself doing the sort of work I don't enjoy in order to get it.

Well Rockefeller, you got billions back in 1960, but with all your
BILLIONS, you cant use my cellphone, see my surround sound color movie -
I have 5000 choices a year on DVD - how many you got with your billions?
You are a sad sad person, you need to read more slashdot, you need to
read more economics, you need to read more history, you need to read more
philosphers, you need to understand happiness is not defined by the
amount of green paper you have in a matress you BUMB.

> I don't take public transport often.

Wasteful HYPOCRITE.

>I don't want to share my space.

You have no SPace, BUMB, god made it, and if you dont share it with
others, he might kill you.

> I want full control of my space - eat, drink, play the radio, and do
> it someplace that no one else has a thing to say about it. Wouldn't
> ride a bus cross-country on a bet.

Then you are going to pay more YOU BUMB.

>>You are a wasteful ignorant citizen, you sit and bitch that you don't
>>have broadband but you do, people like you make it bad on the rest of
>>us.
>
> There's no broadband upload available - my pics are up to about 10 Mb
> each - the camera is about 5.5 Mpixels. Even the highly-compressed
> shots are 1/2 to 1 Mb - send 27 of those somewhere, its gonna take a
> while.

I am laughing at you doing upload at 4k with dial up while I am doing 50K
with satellite and cellphones. What a fucking fool, this whole forum is
laughing at you now. You could get 10X the upload for probably 1.5x the
monthly cost, you are such a damn idiot. Your negative thinking has beat
you.

> This computer is a year and a half old, has 2 Ghz, 2GB RAM, 240 GB of
> disk, is _mine_ and has all _my stuff_ stored on it. Nobody else gets
> to look at my stuff, and I can use it whenever I want to, including 4
> AM when the library isn't open.

I went to ebay, got a 2.6 ghz Dell, paid under 300 bucks, I bet you paid
more idiot. You are on the net, everybody else that is smarter than you,
which is most of us, get to look at all that porn you got stored on your
computer, in fact we use some of your empty 240 gigs to store some of our
porn and you dont even know it fool. MINE MINE MINE - you are like a
little 2 year old in the sandlot. Pathetic.

> Hey, you _don't_ live 3 times as good. I fell earlier this year, and
> my HEALTH INSURANCE paid for the emergency room visit, 100%.

Let's see them pay it in 10 years when the companies become insolvent
because the claims are too great.

  It
> didn't come out of any taxpayer's pocket.

It came out of other insurance payers pocket. My house got blown away in
florida 10 years ago from a hurricane I thought I was in good hands with
state farm, they say state farm is there, they bailed.

  Also, I got a 4-year case
> of chronic tendonitis fixed with therapy, also this year, again with
> the health insurance, not at gov. expense. If you're independently
> wealthy, I expect you can get yourself fixed up too, without it
> costing the taxpayers anything.

You are a bumb, a hypocritical Bumb, spreading disinformation and
negativity kind of bumb, you are the worst kind of BUMB.

> If you're using tax money for that,
> or using money meant for needy people when you could pay your own way
> if you just had an income, then, well, ur a leech.

You are a worse LEECH, I accept I didn't make the universe, and we are
all here by the grace of god, and we should not take more than what we
need and give all that we can, you are the one pretending he is more than
just a useless cum squirt who will be dead in a few years.

> Considered this, like I said. In addition to the upload speed
> problem, there's a limit on the download volume and rate.

THere is on all ISP's. DSL, CABLE, WIRELESS, INTERNET www.dsl

 You can't
> hog the satellite. Plus, I have 4 HUGE oak trees in my front yard,

Cut them down or mount the satellite up on a tower or in another part of
the yard. I have even seen satellite dishes mounted on the trees. Think
creatively dumbass. My signal had to go through 12 pine trees - it did,
trees don't necessarily stop the signal. Have you even done ANY TESTS or
got a satellite guy to come do tests for you to see what your OPTIONS are
- or is your negative thinking TOO STRONG?

> which is to the south, so I would likely have to cut them down to see
> the bird. Don't wanna.

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