Re: von Mises Institute on Henry George

From: The Trucker (mikcob_at_verizon.net)
Date: 09/01/04

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    Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:42:17 -0700

    royls@telus.net wrote:

    > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:10:23 -0700, The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>royls@telus.net wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 03:51:21 GMT, Les Cargill
    >>> <lcargill@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>I think y'all Georgists are simply saying
    >>>>that this rent isn't really production.
    >>>
    >>> It is production only in the sense that the difference between two
    >>> possible amounts of production is also an amount of production.
    >>
    >>Rubbish! It is not production in any sense.
    >
    > How is land rent measured, if not by the additional production use of
    > the land allows?
    >
    >>>>"Wishing to serve the market" is naive at best - most
    >>>>foreign governments who target the U.S market ( for
    >>>>example ) do so by loss leading for decades.
    >>>
    >>> Garbage. But even if it were true, how is selling at a loss not
    >>> serving the domestic market?
    >>
    >>Those who own and who derive their income from rents, royalties, capital
    >>gains (land), etc. are well served by the exploitation of cheap foreign
    >>labor. Those who must labor for their income are not well served.
    >
    > Of course they are: they are also consumers.

    They no longer have an income. It matters not that the price of
    goods is one half of what it was when your income is much less than
    half of what it was.
     
    >>We
    >>would be experiencing a massive deflation if not for the fact that we
    >>are printing lots and lots of money.
    >
    > Of course, but that's a function of the dysfunctional money and
    > banking system, not free trade.

    Actually, in this case I gotta admit that( probably for all the wrong
    reasons and even more likely as a side effect of some other
    Republican ploy like world domination) the deficit spending is
    trashing the dollar and thus helping the laborer. All we need to
    do is control the land prices.

    >>>>I'm not in favor of protectionism per se, but I don't
    >>>>see tarrifs as a tool only of protectionism.
    >>>
    >>> Right. They are also a tool of robbery, oppression and
    >>> favor-peddling.
    >>
    >>Sometimes ya gotta take the lesser of evils for the sake of
    >>expediency.
    >
    > Tariffs are not the lesser evil.
    >
    >>It would be much better to pay for the giant US
    >>military using tarriffs.
    >
    > No, it wouldn't.
    >
    >>That would piss everybody off enough
    >>to control the size of the bloated imperialistic American
    >>military.
    >
    > Doubtful. History would argue that it would more likely provoke a
    > trade war, followed by cries for a shooting war.

    Trade war sounds ok to me.

    >>> Well, I must say that is consistent with your
    >>> idea of charging producers a fee for the "privilege" of serving the
    >>> domestic market...
    >>
    >>Ya can't levy a land tax on land in Japan.
    >
    > Unless you are the government of Japan. So? Their tax sytem is their
    > business.

    OK. Let me be more clear by saying that you can't levy a tax on
    land in Saudi Arabia and use the proceeds to finance government or
    issue a world wide citizen's dividend. The effectiveness of LVT
    stops at the borders of the sovereignty. 

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