Re: Don't Forget Mises -- and Dump the Third Way!

From: michael price (nini_pad_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 10/01/04 

Date: 1 Oct 2004 02:58:18 -0700

The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<cj6mjs026kg@news3.newsguy.com>...
> michael price wrote:
>
> > Ron Allen <rallen2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:<jyt%c.92563$0o5.13446@bignews1.bellsouth.net>...
> >> Robert N. Newshutz wrote:
> >> > Not long after the fair initial distribution,
> >> > the distribution will be unequal, because people
> >> > have different talents and will apply them
> >> > differently. At some point, even though it might
> >> > take a long time, the differences will be vast.
> >> > Is a new redistribution never necessary?
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Price wrote:
> >> > It's a permanent redistribution like those
> >> > permanent revolutions Trotsky talked about.
> >>
> >>
> >> Roy L wrote:
> >> > Right. Private landownership is a permanent
> >> > system of redistribution of wealth from its
> >> > producers to idle landowners.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ron Allen answers:
> >> The modern capitalist system of distribution began
> >> with forced land enclosures, coerced privatization
> >> of the commons, etc.
> >>
> > Nope, private property existed long before that.
> >
> >> Human beings have been turned into self-centered
> >> savages.
> >
> > Nope, always were, evolution works that way.
> >
>
> That is not evolution. If anything, it is regression.

  Evolution favours those that pass on their genes, doing
so is a fairly self-centred act. Evolution != things getting
better.
>
> >> And then we're told that this is our
> >> nature, our fixed and immutable nature.
> >>
> >> In our moral squalor, we exalt capital, while we
> >> debase labor.
> >>
> >
> > Why would we do that when most of us don't own that
> > much capital? Wouldn't it make sense to exalt labour
> > which we sell, rather than capital, which we pay for?
>
> _real_ capital reduces the need for labor in the production
> of goods. Why would anyone exalt sweat and discomfort?
> Land, of course, is not _real_ capital. Exalting land
> is not going to create any more land than what is here
> already. Unfortunately, land ownership and intellectual
> property privileges confer more wealth than does the
> creation and ownership of _real_ capital. And we are
> taught from childhood to to exalt wealth as "earned".
> Those of wealth will do all they can to teach us of their
> superiority and righteousness. They will enlist the
> religious leaders and the political representatives in
> this cause and the political representatives will in turn
> enlist the economics profession in the deception.
>
> >>
> >> <><><><><><><><><>
> >>
> >>
> >> "The élites still rule through property, church,
> >> and armies."
> >> -- Ron Allen

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