TURMEL: #2 Marc Emery's "plead guilty" transcript
From: John Turmel (bc726_at_FreeNet.Carleton.CA)
Date: 11/05/04
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Date: 5 Nov 2004 09:47:32 GMT
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MS. JOHNSON: Your Honour, It's no secret that my client is a
proponent of the legalization of marihuana. He certainly
hasn't made a secret of it. Mr. Emery being at the Vimy
Memorial on the date of the offence was very much a politic
statement on his part. That doesn't, of course, excuse the
fact that he did have marihuana in his possession and passed
one joint to another individual. However, he was not there
to profit from the distribution of marihuana in, in any
sense of the word. There was no money exchanged for the, the
marihuana cigarette that changed hands. And he certainly
wasn't there advertising his Web site or anything else that
he could possibly have profited from. It was, it was simply
a politic statement. Mr. Emery currently is residing in
British Columbia, has for quite some, some time. He has four
adopted children. He's engaged to be married; however, I
understand a date has not been set for that. He does, just
as a matter of interest, pay income tax on all earnings from
any source, and he contributes approximately $200,000 a year
to a drug addiction centre. He is the president of the BC
Marihuana Party, and he owns a magazine by the name of
Cannabis Culture, and also owns an Internet TV channel. He
spends much of his time advocating the legalization of
marihuana and offering lectures for free at various venues.
And of course, that's what he was doing when he was in
Saskatchewan at the time of these offences.
THE COURT: You say he contributed what, $200,000 to a rehab
-- MS. JOHNSON: To a drug - to drug addiction rehabilitation centre. THE COURT: Annually, or he has -- MS. JOHNSON: Annually. Now, I'm assuming that the Crown is getting the evidence that was put forward regarding Mr. Emery asking if there was somewhere to smoke marihuana from the statement of one of the people that was at, at the Vimy Memorial that evening. It does, does state that in the, in the statement. However, I don't know what the state of that witness was at the time, I don't know whether he had consumed marihuana, whether he was confused. Of course, I haven't got to ~ THE COURT:Was it a - was it a witness or was it an undercover officer? MR. IMPEY: No, it -- MS. JOHNSON: It was a witness. THE COURT: It was a witness. Okay. MS. JOHNSON: That's correct. In any case, Mr. Emery doesn't remember asking where they could go and smoke pot. Generally, after these types of gatherings at universities, these lectures, you know, he'll get together with people that were at the lecture. He'll often ask, you know, where a good place is to meet. And from what he remembers, they chose the spot, of course, because he's not familiar with Saskatoon. In any case, the evidence shows that all Mr. Emery had in his possession at the time was 2.3 grams of marihuana, extremely small amount of marihuana, and handed a total of one joint to another individual. That's what the evidence shows. That's what the statement of the one witness states. There was no profit, and Mr. Emery didn't benefit from the exchange in any way. The rest of what he had was for personal use. With respect to the appropriate sentence, the case law is clear that except in unusual circumstances, a custodial sentence is appropriate for trafficking offences. This is certainly an unusual circumstance and my friend has stated the same. In fact, I was not, I was not, as he noted, able to find any case on point for this type of circumstance, nor was he which, which I believe just shows that -- how unusual exactly, it is. With respect to Holowenkow\\\<3\ the Crown is relying heavily on, I would submit that there are several distinguishing factors in this case. I mean, not -- it's not just the amount of marihuana that was involved, which was 761 grams as compared to my client's 2.3 grams, he also had $2,670 in cash which was, of course, related to the ~ THE COURT: Yes, and that was a commercial clandestine operation, wasn't it? MS. JOHNSON: Absolutely. He had people working for him. He was in charge of a trafficking enterprise according to his - - one of his employees in any case. He had - Mr. Holowenko had 15 criminal convictions and it was nine that were drug related. As far as aggravating circumstances, under Section 10 of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, there were far more aggravating circumstances in Holowenko then there are in this case. In fact, in this case under Section 10 there is the one aggravating circumstance of a prior record. Under Holowenko there were several, several more aggravating circumstances including his record and he ~ it would show that he'd spent his mature years in drug milieu as the case notes. Of course, my client's record shows ~ THE COURT: Now the (inaudible - not clear). MS. JOHNSON: - convictions in two, two years. THE COURT: Okay. In 1999, the possession of a scheduled substance, was that actual possession of marihuana and not the seeds. MS. JOHNSON: No, those were the seeds. THE COURT: No. Or was that--all--it's all seeds. MS. JOHNSON: All of, all of the trafficking - yeah. THE COURT: All right. MS. JOHNSON: All of that has to do with the seeds. THE COURT: All right. MS. JOHNSON: As well, in Holowenko, I think it's, I think it's important to note that clearly Mr. Holowenko did not plead guilty to the offence. There was a significant commercial element involved. I mean, there are so many, so many distinguishing factors. I just can't see how we can ~ you know, obviously if it was a situation like this we'd be following this case, but how can we follow the case when it's absolutely nothing like the case we have before us. I did find one case, Your Honour, by the name of R v. McGinn (ph). Now, I've photocopied the, the header which pretty clearly outlines my point. It talks about deterrence and the integrity of the administration of justice, and it did involve also a situation where there was trafficking of marihuana. I think the judge does -- Mr. Justice Cameron does a good job ~ this is a Saskatchewan Court of Appeal case -- of outlining the -- what is involved in, in deterrence. One, of course, is the gravity of the fence (sic) - the offence, and I would submit here that this, this offence is probably of the lowest gravity it can pretty much get. Two, the incidence of the crime in the community ~ yes, it took place with about 30 or 40 other people and in public. The third factor is the harm caused to. the individual or to the community, and I would submit that that is quite low in this situation, extremely low; and the public attitude towards the offence. Now, of course, my friend knew that I was going to get into this and I am. The public attitude toward, in particular, possession of marihuana, and I think that this can be, you know, applied to this circumstance where one person hands a joint to another person to share with them. You know, public attitude has changed and it's actually been ~ I mean, it was, it was a large part or at least a part of the recent federal election, and Mr. Prime Minister Martin has recently stated publicly that by the end of the year he wants to see marihuana decriminalized. So, I think that they actually cited a poll in the National Post that there is something like twice as many people are now saying that they are using marihuana as, as had stated that something like 10 years ago. So, public attitude is changing, and I think that that's -- that should be a huge element in this offence. THE COURT: But that's not the issue the Court deals with. MS. JOHNSON: I understand that, absolutely not. THE COURT: I'm not ~ MS. JOHNSON: And that's not to excuse the fact that my client broke the law and that is why - THE COURT: That's ~ MS. JOHNSON: -- he's pleading guilty. JCT: She knew the reasons why he's pleading guilty? THE COURT: - that to me what the issue ends up being. MS. JOHNSON: And he's taking responsibility for that. I mean, he understands -- JCT: He understands why he pleaded guilty? THE COURT: And I have to advise counsel that I - he speaks to a lot of students. I speak to a lot of students, and the debate with them becomes very simple and straightforward. I'm not here to discuss the pros and cons of marihuana. We are only here to discuss respect for the law, and without respect for the law, no democratic society can function at all. MS. JOHNSON: I couldn't agree more with you, Your Honour. I guess my point is, we're not dealing with a substance like cocaine, okay. THE COURT: No, I totally agree. MS. JOHNSON: And that's really my only point in bringing that up. We're dealing with a substance that the Supreme Court of Canada very recently has made several findings of fact on that state that marihuana is a very - has a very low level of being dangerous to the public, I suppose you can say. In fact, in the Memo Lavigne (ph) case which is the case that I was referring to and I'm sure you're quite familiar with, it's actually pointed out in the senate report that's, that's quoted in the decision that with respect to certain elements of marihuana, it's less dangerous than alcohol or smoking which are legal. So, that is ~ that's the, that's the point I'm trying to make. Granted it is absolutely against the law at this point. JCT: With Emery pleading guilty, I can see how she might believe that, et al. I just - it goes to the seriousness of the offence and I think that that's what we need to focus on today. I mean, we're talking about one joint being passed to one person. Now, we certainly recognize that Mr. Emery's record is an aggravating circumstance particularly under Section 10 of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. It is the one aggravating factor that is found under that Section. I would note that, I mean, my friend calls him a repeat offender, however, I think it's important to note that there is more than a five-year gap since Mr. Emery has been convicted of any type of narcotics offence. There was one, one conviction on his record from 2000. At least that's what I have on my copy of the record, for assaulting a peace officer -- THE COURT: Yes. MS. JOHNSON: -- and that was in relation to - THE COURT: Relation to being arrested for something. MS. JOHNSON: It was a protest ~ THE COURT: Yes. MS. JOHNSON: ~ you know. It was a political ~ THE COURT: Yes. Okay. That's what I thought. All right. MS. JOHNSON: Okay, okay. Yeah. He indicates that one of his employees was being beat up and he, he spit on a police officer apparently, and anyway - caught up in the moment, and, and that - those were the circumstances surrounding that. So -- THE COURT: It was, it was in the nature - as it - it was in a protest, right? MS. JOHNSON: Exactly. THE COURT: Yes. MS. JOHNSON: That's right. THE COURT: Well, he's the one who had been involved in the protest that triggered ~ MS. JOHNSON: Absolutely, yeah. THE COURT: - that triggered his own behaviour. MS. JOHNSON: Exactly. THE COURT: Okay. MS. JOHNSON: And there have been no-- THE COURT: Let's not make light of the fact of the circumstances. MS. JOHNSON: No, absolutely not. Just wanted to make sure you understood that situation. There hasn't been ~ there haven't been any breaches or allegations of breaches since these charges were laid. It's, it's been several months, I guess, since that time, and I go back to this being an unusual case and the fact that his primary purpose was political. We've already dealt with the fact that the, the prior record related to seed sales which are not involved in this offence. I would submit that in this situation an appropriate sentence would be time served plus perhaps a significant fine. Mr. Emery was held on these charges for four days prior to being released. He's never had to serve any period of incarceration to date besides those four days. I would submit that incarceration for any further length of time would not be proportionate to the gravity of this offence. This case was, I would submit, a technical violation as contemplated in R v. McGinn which is actually pointed out on the - in the head notes to that case. Also, Mr. Justice Cameron states that while it may be that certain technical violations of the trafficking offence may warrant a fine, coupled with a period of probation, the offence, in this case, was not of that type. Of course, this, this guy had -- it ~ there was a clear commercial aspect to the commission of the offence the court states, and the accused admitted that he intended to sell the drugs and had the necessary paraphernalia to do so. And just as a point of interest, the accused in that case received six months incarceration ~ THE COURT: In McGinn. MS. JOHNSON: Pardon me? THE COURT: In McGinn he got six months. MS. JOHNSON: That's correct. THE COURT: Yes. MS. JOHNSON: Yeah, yeah. And he had a very lengthy criminal record and had more marihuana than my client had, certainly, which he wanted to make a commercial go of, apparently. Again, my client is -- there is the mitigating factor of my client taking responsibility for this. He understands. JCT: He understands what he is taking responsibility for. I mean, he, he, he does his lecture circuit. I mean, he understands that this is against the law. He's willing to take his punishment for it. JCT: He's willing to take his punishment for a charge he wanted to plead not guilty to but miscued? He didn't want to put everybody through a trial, JCT: But Marc told us that that only occurred to him once she had made the mistake of pleading him guilty. Marc told everyone he knew he would be found guilty so why put everybody through a trial. But the lawyer knew this before she made her statement! She had heard his "why put everyone through a trial" story already! She was instructed by Emery and knows he wants to avoid a trial! Can't do that if he intended to plead not guilty? and I would just really --1 want to point - make it clear that I don't think that this case can be decided based on Holowenko, a case that just has no bearing on this situation whatsoever. And just, I hate to repeat myself 10 times, but this was one joint passed to one individual for no profit. Unless you have any questions, Your Honour, those are my submissions. Oh, Your Honour, I did want to note that my client was very cooperative with the police, and he actually handed those four marihuana cigarettes over to the police. JCT: If all law-breakers rushed up to the police to confess and give up, it would be a better place, thanks to the example of Marc Emery, Mr. "Confess and Plead Guilty to Fight my way." It wasn't that the police had to search him to -- in order to find the cigarettes. When they walked up he immediately owned up to it and handed over his marihuana. JCT: He didn't have to, sitting in the middle of a hazy cloud and the cops with no probable cause, but he jumped right out of the fumes to fess up and be taken away. Our hero. THE COURT:Crown, any further comments? MR. IMPEY: Yes, Your Honour. The ~ just a couple of things on McGinn. My friend indicates that the Court of Appeal ~ I'm sorry, the ~ I believe she's relying on it for the one, the one comment the incidence of this offence is high - pardon me. While it may be that certain technical violations of trafficking offences may warrant a fine and coupled with periods of probation, this is a very ambiguous comment by the court. What they're saying is in some situations a fine and probation may be appropriate for technical violations of the law. Mr. McGinn, obviously, didn't fall within that category - a small amount of marihuana he received six months incarceration. He did have a lengthy criminal record. Mr. Emery has a lengthy criminal record. There's 11 previous convictions on Mr. Emery's record, Your Honour. Mr. McGinn's record were for non-drug offences, Your Honour, and that's the aggravating circumstance that the Crown submits that takes this out of a fine and probation, and takes it into jail and probation, Your Honour. Crown -- I'm not sure if ~ the Holowenko decision, Your Honour, we're simply relying on the general principles found in that case. The -- we're not saying it's on all fours with Holowenko. We never intended to say that. The general principles which I pointed out earlier, Your Honour, are the general principles we're asking the Court to consider. The Section 10 element in Holowenko, Your Honour, are identical to the Section 10 elements here. The, the only Section ~ the comments by the court with respect to Section 10 in the Holowenko decision, Your Honour, are comments that readily apply because in both situations the only Section 10 element that applies is in fact the previous criminal record. The list in Section 2, Your Honour, talks about weapons, violence, trafficking near a school or school grounds, or any other public place usually frequented by persons under 18, trafficking to a person under 18, and ~ or previous convictions, Your Honour, or use of persons under 18. So, the, the comments by the court about the aggravating circumstances of Section 10 in Holowenko, none ~ there's no indication that any of those other principles were present --1 mean, aggravating circumstances were present, and that's very similar to here. We're talking about the aggravating circumstance of the previous convictions, and the courts -- the principles in Holowenko should apply as well. THE COURT: So, we have the Crown asking for three to six months incarceration. MR. IMPEY: With probation to follow and a 109 order, please, Your Honour. THE COURT: Okay, and a Section 109 order. Defence is arguing time served and a large fine. JCT: You have to wonder why they had already argued the sentence if Marc hadn't instructed her to plead guilty. Otherwise, it would be slightly premature. MR. IMPEY: That's correct, Your Honour. THE COURT: I take it nobody's proposing a conditional sentence is appropriate then. Well, the Crown's against it. The defence hasn't brought it forward. All right. I'm going to break for 10 minutes. I'll just be in the anteroom, so I can put together a few thoughts on this. ( COURT ADJOURNS ) ( COURT RECONVENES ) THE COURT: Mr. Emery has pled guilty to the following charge: that he did on or about the 22nd day of March, 2004 at Saskatoon, unlawfully traffic in a controlled substance, to wit: cannabis marihuana in an amount not exceeding three kilograms, contrary to Section 5(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. From the presentations made by counsel, the essence of this offence is that Mr. Emery was in Saskatoon giving a lecture at the University of Saskatchewan and on the proponents or as an activist propo ~ as, and as a proponent to the what I infer as the decriminalization of marihuana within ~ in Canada. His defence counsel -- from there he met with a group of the students in a public setting on the riverbank at the Vimy Memorial in the City of Saskatoon. That is clearly a public open gathering spot in this city, and the Court takes notice of the same. I'm presuming if one wants to make a political statement, that is a public setting from which to make it. One must also -- clearly, there is the zealousness on his part, as an individual, in trying to get the laws in relation to criminalization of possession of marihuana changed. His zealousness and some of the acts certainly attract attention and may be somewhat instrumental eventually in getting the public opinion swayed to the point where parliament decriminalizes the possession of marihuana. But it is not the function or the duty of this Court to get involved in any political discussions in relation to the pros and cons of marihuana. The function of this Court is to administer and enforce the laws imposed by parliament, and there are not a lot of judges in the country. The function of judges is to remain objective, impartial and apolitical JCT: Ouch, I hurt myself falling on the floor laughing. so that its sole function becomes that of administering the laws and the justice of this country. In that respect, it is that that this Court is focusing on today in relation to sentencing. Along with the freedoms in this society, in our democratic society, one of them is the freedom of expression which is protected by our Charter of Rights, and Mr. Emery had the benefit of that freedom in being able to make public comment at a higher learning institution in this country. That freedom and benefit comes only with the basic principles of a democratic society, and no democratic society can have any freedoms unless the underlying value is the respect of the laws by every citizen. Without that there are no freedoms whatsoever. The Court understands the zealousness of Mr. Emery. However, I think a fundamental principle in sentencing here, and I take it from the decision of R v. McGinn which the defence presented to the Court. And as stated by Cameron J.A. in that decision: "the sentence originally imposed by the trial judge in this case failed to take into account two of the important principles of sentencing, namely, deterrence and the need to maintain the integrity of the administration of justice. Deterrence involves both general and specific deterrence. The integrity of the administration of justice entails among others, the notions of upholding the public's in the effective enforcement of the criminal law of imposing proportionate sentences and achieving equity in the sense of avoiding disparity." The Crown was relying heavily on the decision of R v. Holowenko, a decision of the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal dated January 15th, 2004. The general principles, in fact, are general principles which the Court must take into account in all sentencing. As defence has pointed out, this was only bone joint to one individual for no profit, but the Court must add the following; it was in a public setting with an absolute unacceptable flaunting of the laws of this country, deliberately done, and in that respect Mr. Emery has overstepped the bounds of the fundamental basis of our democratic society. In that respect, this Court finds a conditional sentence would not be appropriate because it clearly offends some of the fundamental principles of sentencing set forth in Section 718, 718.1 and 718.2 of the Criminal Code. I must also take into account Section 10(b) of the -- (2)(b) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act which specifically states that an aggravating factor to be considered was that he: 10(2)(b) was previously convicted of a designated substance offence. The criminal record is here and again, there are a number of convictions in relation to trafficking where he received only fines. And those sentences remain on the record. However, there comes a time when Mr. Emery has to understand respect for the laws becomes more important than his zealousness in relation to a specific product, and this Court will not enter that debate other than this Court will point out to him that the respect of the law ~ he overstepped that bound, and that this Court will not tolerate under any circumstances, for to do so would be to ~ well, not carrying out the function of what courts are for. However, at the end of the day, the level of what occurred clearly the Court has to take that into account, the facts. One cannot say this is in the upper end of trafficking. The Court must clearly take that into account. But this Court would be remiss if it did not also set forth the message to this accused and every other member of the society in this country; the laws will be obeyed and will be enforced until such time as parliament changes them, JCT: Don't tell me he knows how Canada's legal system works. Parliament writes and changes laws, Courts enforce or strike down bad ones. POLCOA. and this Court feels very strongly about that. Would you please stand, Mr. Emery. It is not easy for a Court and individual judges in sentencing individuals such as you. You have the freedom to continue to speak out against the law, and this Court would protect that freedom as strongly as it's protecting the other concept of deliberate flaunting of the law, but you have chosen only one aspect of those two responsibilities that you and everyone else carries. You can't do that. Both are of equal importance and you must think of both as you're making your political statement, for without both being upheld at the same time there is no political statement to be made. We would only then have ~ there would be no freedoms to protect you to even make the statement at that stage. Accordingly, I think - deem an appropriate disposition and sentence in this case, I am going to sentence you to three months incarceration in a Provincial Correctional Centre. In addition, pursuant to Section 109 of the Criminal Code - it's mandatory, I hereby make an order prohibiting you from possessing any prohibited firearm, restricted firearm, prohibited weapon, prohibited device, and prohibited ammunition for life. You are further prohibited from possessing any other type of firearm, any crossbow, restricted weapon, ammunition and explosive substance for a period that ends -- okay -- that begins on the day on which this order is made and ends not earlier than 10 years after your release from imprisonment for the offence for which you were sentenced today. I exercise my discretion, I do not think anything -- I'm not going to impose any probation or any further restrictions. That is not what he was charged with. The evidence put forth by the Crown in relation to those types of activities that they were seeking to prohibit was not sufficient to ~ for me to exercise a discretion to deal in any way with any further probation or attempted prohibitions. MS. JOHNSON: I wonder Your Honour, I'm just thinking, I can't find the Section right now; however, I understand that, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that if the sentence is 90 days or less, there is an option of - THE COURT: Intermittent sentencing. MS. JOHNSON: Exactly. It would certainly, you know - he does have several businesses on the go and if he could do it in BC, that would ~ where his family -- THE COURT: I don't think that's a possibility, is it? MR. IMPEY: Your Honour, I can't tell you that if corrections ~ I note you would have to sentence him to, I believe it's a Provincial Correctional Centre if it's less than two years less a day, Your Honour. THE COURT: Hmm-mm. MR. IMPEY: And the warrant of committal would reflect that. THE COURT: Well, I'm not about to do it unless I know if it's feasibly - it's feasible. MR. IMPEY: It also reopens the issue, Your Honour, of probation as well because then it becomes -- probation during the time frame ~ THE COURT: During the time frame of completing the-- MR. IMPEY: ~ of the conditional sentence - THE COURT: Right. MR. IMPEY: -- or pardon me, intermittent sentence -- THE COURT: Hmm-mm. MR. IMPEY: ~ pardon me, would come into play. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Your Honour THE COURT: Yes. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: -- in the past, that's gone through the Attorney General when the ~ same as a probation order transferring jurisdiction. THE COURT:Yes, that's right, it would have to be, but, but the mechanics of it have not been explained to me as to whether it's possible, and so I'm not about to do it without any further information. MS. JOHNSON: That's understood. THE COURT: So -- do you want to have a minute? I can break for a minute while you speak to your client. MS. JOHNSON: Sure. That would be great. THE COURT: If you want to get some instructions. ( COURT ADJOURNS) ( COURT RECONVENES ) MS. JOHNSON: Your Honour, I just ~ I did want to make sure the -- are you, are you taking into account the four days that he spent on remand. Is that to be taken off -- THE COURT: No. That-- MS. JOHNSON: --or is that-- THE COURT: ~ no, no, that's - MS. JOHNSON: ~ in addition to his -- THE COURT: - I didn't -- that's in addition to. MS. JOHNSON: Okay. THE COURT: I've sentenced him to three months -- MS. JOHNSON: Okay. THE COURT: - correctional centre. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Surcharge, Your Honour. THE COURT: I waive the surcharge. MR. IMPEY: For your information, Your Honour, I wasn't able to find anything in the Criminal Code which would allow for transfers of ~ on request, in essence, of a 90-day sentence. THE COURT: Yes. Okay. MR. IMPEY: I believe that concludes - THE COURT: Thank you. MR. IMPEY: Thank you, Your Honour. THE COURT:Thank you, counsel. MS. JOHNSON: Thank you, Your Honour. ------------------------------- SASKATCHEWAN JUSTICE Transcript Services 1815 Smith Street Regina, SK S4P 3V7 JCT: So is there anybody there who believes Marc Emery's claim that he went into that court-room ready to put up a fight (without discussingj a defence with his lawyer) and simply decided to stay quiet when she accidentally pleaded him guilty so his defence would not be tested? I don't. And getting caught lying should be a strategic flaw in any would-be politician's character. Unless you're running for the President of the U.S. What does his election say about Americans who let him get away with the lying slaughter going on in Iraq? Scary. Now Bush can take the kidd gloves off and massacre people almost anywhere in the same way without having to worry about re-election. Gut environmental treaties, unleash economic trade wars, irreparable harm to the ecosystem. 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