TURMEL: S. David Frankel, Q.C.'s (Queen's Counsel) signature

From: John Turmel (bc726_at_FreeNet.Carleton.CA)
Date: 12/19/04 

Date: 19 Dec 2004 23:29:38 GMT

>http://www.voy.com/178771/15951.html
>Alberta Senior Crown: Corrupt, Scared, Biased, Mistaken?
>Author: Roger M Roeder
>Date: 08:55:27 12/17/04 Fri

RR: Krieger Order invalidates S.7 (commonly known as
cultivation)
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/kriego1.jpg
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/kriego2.jpg

Crown. S. David Frankel submits an Appeal for the Krieger
Court Order decision to counter the legality of cannabis.
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/kriegcm.txt

Krieger Supreme Court Order (Crown denied appeal of 7.1
(commonly known as cultivation))
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/kriegscc.jpg

Crown S. David Frankel loses the appeal. The Krieger Court
Order stating cannabis cultivation is legal is now the law
of all of Canada.

Constitution Act: (Note section 32 and 52) explains that
with cultivation/possession struck down in Alberta it has to
be the same as other Provinces and Territories for every
citizen.

Crown represents that Krieger is only in Alberta and Parker
is only in Ontario, that same level Provincial Judges can
set aside/void Court Orders from other parts of Canada
contrary to Constitution Act.

That for Krieger the Crown also represents that a Lower
Provincial Alberta Court can set aside the top court in
Alberta.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/const/annex_e.html

The questions that beg asking are:

Did S. David Frankel notify his superiors of the law change
upon the loss of Appeal?

JCT: I forget who was Minister of Justice on Dec 04 2002.
And who was Minister on March 15 when Justice Pitt first
opined that the Government had not yet complied with the
Parker's court's ruling, later proven correct. Lara Speirs
knew then but rather than stop the prosecutions that later
had to be stayed, she moved to set aside Pitt J's righteous
decision in the wrong court and won allowing herself to
believe that Pitt's opinion didn't count and was therefore
wrong. We know now he was right and she hid it with her
kangaroo court with Alan Young.

RR: Does S. David Frankel believe that the Constitution and
Charter of Rights represents that Canadian sovereign
citizens can have different Federal Laws within different
Provinces? If S. David Frankel did tell his superior, what
did his superior do????

JCT: And he did not, should he go to jail?

RR: If S. David Frankel did not notify his superior of the
law change, then why not?

Does S. David Frankel still believe that an Alberta Lower
Court can set aside (overrule, overturn), the top Court in
Alberta?

JCT: Let him lead with the O'Leary over-ruling the Supreme
Court of Canada alibi on his own.

RR: When the Appeal was denied by the Supreme Court of
Canada, IT CANNOT GO ANY HIGHER. The Krieger Court Order
becomes valid which states that cultivation is legal. THE
ONLY WAY FOR CANNABIS TO BE ILLEGAL NOW IS IF THE GOVERNMENT
PASSES NEW LEGISLATION AND PASSES THE NEW LAW.

JCT: But if no one announces to the police that the law has
been repealed, if the Crown Attorneys who know what the
Supreme Court of Canada decision means do not announce it to
their political masters, if they do and their masters tell
them to hush it up with the collusion of the CanWest Global
Presstitutes, if no one knows, does that mean it's not so?

RR: Why are people constantly held to fight charges by
police and Crown when the law no longer exist?

JCT: Ignorance of the law is no excuse? Unless you're the
law?

RR: A penny for Mr Frankels' thoughts.

JCT: They'll come out when he is deposed under oath, won't
they?

Roger Roeder
502-607 Heritage Drive Kitchener, Ontario
519-894-3358 DISTRIBUTION OF ALL OR IN PART IS AUTHORIZED. 

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>Virgil Post #59 
>Date: Dec 18 2004, 12:56 PM 
V: Thanks D&L for adding some life to this thread. 
Message1569 just went up and it informs us that Pierre 
Drouin did not make his court date in Cochrane because of a 
storm. It mentions a Real Martin in the same sentence. It 
seems like each new brain attached to the laws are dead 
philosophy is a good sign.
JCT: They're the  Cochrane Dynamic Duo. The newspaper still 
hasn't reported on their S.7 Krieger cultivation challenge. 
The media black-out reaches even the Northern Ontario 
sticks. 
V: Message1569 is a display of wrath for what the Crown and 
Attorney General Frankel have done hiding the death of the 
CP laws. The motion by Mike South on Monday will ask that 
Frankel be held in contempt and explains that the judge has 
the power to release all inmates that find themselves in the 
same position as Mike South. There is blame enough for the 
Supreme Court that had knowledge of the situation and the 
proof is in their own words in the Krieger decision they 
made on December 23, 2003.
JCT: You have to wonder what the Chief Justice thought when  
her ruling affirming the highest court in Alberta striking 
down the Cultivation and Possession prohibitions came out 
and the cops didn't stop busting! What would be the duty of 
a judge who sees the process of the court ignored and held 
in contempt? Nothing so far. 
V: Anyone concerned with eliminating corruption in 
government in Canada should be following this story. Anyone 
concerned with ending a massive fraud and injustice should 
follow this story and broaden its audience. 
JCT: The numbers of victims is incredible, isn't it? 
V: What gets me as a follower of the cannabis story for over 
3 years is that we all knew the laws were dead when the 
courts in May of 2003 finally said so. Even after all the 
appeals of October 7th by the OCA, everyone was on the 
bandwagon that only parliament could restore the laws. The 
Supreme Court ruling of December 23, 2003 must have 
sidelined people's thinking and the issue of 
constitutionality of CP itself was a big topic even before 
the rulings. I cannot get over how 14 months have passed and 
the issue is still alive.
JCT: I didn't really find out what Krieger meant until Tom 
Wloca and I made the trek to Ottawa to pick up a copy of the 
Crown's arguments. I only checked out how the Calgary media 
misrepresented the story last week. And now, they're going 
into the newest kits. 
V: I did mention the situation in a comment on a Canadian 
situation on the front-page at marijuana.com I will try to 
work it in at FreeRepublic before Monday. 
JCT: If CNN asks CBC or CTV what's going on in the Mike 
South complaint about the Crown trying him under a dead law, 
they'll have to come. 
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>ron Post #60 
>Dec 18 2004, 01:24 PM 
Thanks for the link lifebuds. I'll watch that group too. 
Usually I feel overwhelmed by the tangled details, in the 
forest of initials and legalisms.
But this post was like walking along a mountain ridge 
looking and looking clearly in all directions. John Turmel 
was eloquent in his proposal to change the frame of the 
debate. 
JCT: It's a bit like judo, isn't it? We've been mainly on 
defence in the courts and suddenly, we turn from defence to 
offence and help the opponent with the hip a little more in 
his own direction until he goes flying. Now that Krieger has 
been engaged, it's time to go on offence. Make people 
appreciate that the proper strategy now is righteous 
indignation at the fraud perpetrated on the court that 
caused such an incredible screw-up by the courts.
R: How can our inJustice Department continue this immoral 
persecution when there is no law - and they know it? It's a 
scandal to arrest 100,000 people on bogus charges.
JCT: I've just published a new S. David Frankel signature 
page. Since there was tons of space at the bottom, I 
included the last part of the previous page with the 
infamous "Paragraph 57" confession of the Attorney General's 
Bogus Charges Scandal. 
R: How much did Frankel, Speirs et al know, and when did 
they know it? Listen to the engineer and judge for yourself: 
>JCT: There has to be a way to win more than just Mike's... 
JCT: That's was "Getting out of jail" AND "Getting the 
Frankel gang" as the new thrust. For all of us from now on. 
Time to get all our Crown Attorney's charged too! Right? 
They can read. They're experts. They should have known. Time 
to really go on offence. Hey, Doug and Laurie, wouldn't you 
like to get C.A. Greg Smith cited for abuse of process and 
contempt of court? Let's all start to try. New strategy, 
right? 
>ron Post #61 
>Dec 18 2004, 01:26 PM 
R: I did mention the situation in a comment on a Canadian 
situation on the front-page at marijuana.com I will try to 
work it in at FreeRepublic before Monday. 
Do you think we should let Cannabis News know? 
JCT: A crowd of reporters in the court-room blows the lid on 
the Bogus Charges scandal sky-high.
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>Virgil Post #62 
>Dec 18 2004, 01:44 PM 
Ron, I would think that the regular visitors of Cnews would 
be interested in knowing of the present situation more than 
any group on the Internet. 
JCT: I would think that since they banned Virgil from there, 
that perhaps the ones who didn't seek out what they were 
being denied would not be.
V: There is just not a more compelling cannabis story to 
follow. 
JCT: Especially when we've got the bad guys by the balls. 
V: Now that you mention it, later this evening I will email 
Marc Paquette and see if he will contribute his perspective 
to this thread.. There is a Canadian issue up at Cnews with 
a Paquette response - 
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread20042.shtml#7 
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>budEluv 
>Date: Sat Dec 18 2004 12:14 PM 
DML: Therefore, if others have tried and failed with the 
"law is dead" thing, 
B: I think that failure is not the applicable word. Look at 
the reason(s) in the cases already adjudicated upon. It is 
obvious that the issue is simply that the judges shirked. 
They avoided the issues addressed within the courts and 
side-stepped over to the now infamous Hitzig case.
The attempt(s) did not fail. The issues were not addressed. 
JCT: Still trying to convince David Malmo-Levine it's better 
the challenge the CDSA prohibition than the MMAR permission. 
B: How is it a failure when an appeal is inevitable and the 
matter will have to be addressed in a court of higher 
jurisdiction?
Quote: DML: it might be wise to lead with the "anti-
genocide" argument in the future - it really has yet to be 
the focus of any case. 
B: David, (please address this)
I think it really sucks that you MAY be one of the ones who 
has also turned your back on Terry Parker. You know, the one 
who originally got the courts to strike down the possession 
law? Terry is a miracle and a blessing. If you thought your 
Supreme Court case left you a little jaded, think how HE 
feels.
Terry has gone under the knife and had his brain hacked into 
to "help" control his epileptic seizures. The result? 
Surgery made it WORSE! He has been prescribed dozens of 
toxic pharma drugs that nearly killed him to "help" is 
epilepsy. All this has happened because he wasn't "allowed" 
the only thing that continues to save his life to this 
day...cannabis.
He has been segregated by the practically the entire med-pot 
movement....including Alan Young and Alison Myrden. Why have 
they gone separate ways? Terry is still fighting for his 
RIGHT TO LIFE. 
Fact - EPILEPSY KILLS.
Fact - The only thing that can PREVENT and STOP an epileptic 
attack is marijuana.
Fact - Turmel has already raised the genocide argument that 
conclusively shows how many epileptics die per year. These 
numbers cannot be refuted. It is an official body count.
JCT: But Lederman said death statistics aren't "medical 
evidence."
B: *FACT?* - The cannabis culture is not an "officially 
recognized" culture in the eyes of the law, or within the 
courts... (I could be wrong though) 
JCT: Good point. Arguing genocide of epileptics is stronger 
than genocide of culture if cultural genocide isn't even in 
the law. But I can't see why David would steer us off onto 
an argument that can't work in opposition to one that's 
obvious. 
B: How can the fact that epileptics, who are denied 
marijuana by doctors and government, not be considered 
genocide? Marijuana, the only thing that can prevent and 
stop attacks that kill epileptics, is a violation of an 
epileptics right to life. That's why Bruce Ryan and gang had 
their charges dropped. One of them was epileptic.
Based on Terry's 40 year battle...yes, 40 YEARS, Shouldn't 
Terry be regarded as a hero? I know he is in my books. I 
know I recognize Aug. 1st, 2001 (the day s.4 died) as TERRY 
PARKER Day.
JCT: Actually, the law died when the court said it did, on 
July 31 2001 11:59. Midnight Terry Parker Day was the death 
of the law, it was the life of the new freedom. Terry Parker 
Day was our day of liberty. The beast was executed the night 
before. 
B: Why is Terry's name never brought up? Is it another 
"guilt by association" because he has allied with Turmel? I 
hope that it's not just that particular and petty reason. 
When someone who has been fighting for his right to LIVE for 
the past 40 years, and STILL IS FIGHTING, that is one of the 
most courageous and admirable things I have ever seen.
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>Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 04:25:00 +0000
>From: tsunami8972@hotmail.com (tsunami8972)
>Subject: [MedPot-discuss] Re: TURMEL: "Get out of Jail" AND
 
I think that's a great idea to try to cite David Frankel 
with contempt. It's bound to hit the judge's gossip line. 
JCT: May even break into the major media that there were 
hundreds of thousands of erroneous convictions too. 
T: Whether it hits the main stream press???  I'd be tempted 
to bet it won't. The blockade is strong.
JCT: You never know when everything comes together or just 
the right people take initiative. Remember, the world owners 
say that there is nothing more dangerous than personal 
initiative which can do more than can be done by the 
millions amongst whom they've sown discord. 
 
T: We need the engineer with some blasting powder to figure 
out which abutments to knock out so the whole house of cards 
of prohibition falls down. Ready on Monday for the first 
blast. Ready. Sound the siren. Blast. Ready for the second 
blast.
JCT: Liberation just in time for a Merry Christmas. 
T: There's a carrot at the end of the stick John. If you 
destroy prohibition like you promised you would also destroy 
Alan Young and the monopolist slime at Cannasat. Think about 
it. All that money and time and payola they invested down 
the drain. What a lovely little reward at the end of the 
day.
JCT: I never considered much of a threat, more of 
diversion, a way to condemn the Professeur Saboteur for less 
than his Parker stab in the back and Hitzig resurrection. Is 
there anyone who can call a criticism for joining the board 
of a marijuana company anywhere near as bad as what he did 
to Parker and to all of us with his resurrection. It just 
gave David Malmo-Levine something weak to attack Alan about 
to sheep-dip him some more. But I think his true colors have 
shown through by now. 
>Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:49:40 -0500 
>From: ed2411@cogeco.ca (ed pearson)
>Subject: Re: [MedPot-discuss] TURMEL: "Get out of Jail" AND
EP: It sounds great but how do you make proof beyond a 
reasonable doubt that he read Krieger? 
JCT: He's the attorney who signed the Crown's Memorandum 
on the Krieger case! 
EP:  He certainly cannot be compelled to testify against 
himself no more than can you.
JCT: His signed Memorandum explaining how the Krieger ruling 
invalidated the prohibition by the highest court in Alberta 
should be enough. 
EP: First Mandamus against Atty. General re Federal Crown 
prosecutions and against Frankel if he then  errs u have him 
for contempt. Or Prohibition against further prosecutions by 
Atty. Gen. of Canada.
JCT: Excuse me if I do not read any advice from a guy who 
missed the fact Frankel signed the government's analysis of 
the Krieger case. I think I'll decide what I do on my own.
>ron Post #63 
>Date: Dec 18 2004, 07:04 PM 
R: Sent Cannabis News the following:
Subject: Exciting things are happening in Canada! 
Mike South will be filing for a release from jail pending 
appeal of the non existence of a law against possession 
(s4.1 - Parker 2001) and cultivation (s4.7 - Kreiger 2002).
The judge will be asked to cite for contempt the Ministry of 
Justice Attorneys and their Attorney General. They knew 
there was no law left last December. Yet 100,000 people, 
like Mike South, have been unfairly charged for breaking a 
non existent law.
JCT: Turmel's one of them who didn't know and he's even 
madder now. 
R: If Mike South's appeal is granted the question of why the 
media has stood silent about this shameful coverup will have 
to be answered - or are they that powerful? Not if we don't 
let them be. 
JCT: The Turmel blackout is a fascinating dilemma for the 
media, isn't it?
R: His court appearance at Osgoode Hall in Toronto on Monday 
morning should be spot city for bloggers, presstitutes and - 
dare we hope - presstivisionnaries themselves. I want to see 
it live on CBC or CPAC Monday morning. 
JCT: Ask them, please. Write them, call them, please.
R: I'm a realist though. There's some kind of colluding 
going on between the inJustice system and the mediocrities 
to cover up the fact that there is now no law in Cannabia 
and they're still arresting 150 people a day!
JCT: Maybe not. Maybe the Calgary reporters were so busy 
taking quotes from the two attorneys that they didn't read 
the 24 line decision which three times mentioned the 
cultivation section being struck down. Maybe they really 
didn't notice? 
R: People interested in following this drama should check 
out this Cannabis Culture thread:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/show...sb=5&o=&fpart=9
I remember Marc Paquette parting ways with John last year in 
CNews, but they seemed friendly in one of John's posts. I'd 
like to hear his story.
Alan Young teaches at Osgoode Hall. The irony in this 
unfolding drama is excruciating.
JCT: Yes, it was a law professor who told the Canadian 
audience that an Ontario Court had brought the prohibition 
back to life ending the period of legalisation as of 9am 
this morning. It was a law professor who misled them. A York 
University Osgoode Hall Law School professor who does not 
know that Parliament Only Legislations, Court Only 
Abrogates. 
R: Will two aces win this pot? Ministers of inJustice often 
produce a joker from their holes, nevertheless. 
JCT: They've got no wildcards. They thought it was a tough 
battle while we were on defence, imagine what they're 
feeling now that know we've switched to offence. Bet they're 
burning the midnight oil at their King & York tower tonight. 
R: Will John and Alan discuss their differences in an 
appropriate setting? And what about Naomi?  We could ask Tom 
Lehrer. 
JCT: I do some of his songs. Vatican Rag! 
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>ron Post #64 
>Date: Dec 19 2004, 01:25 AM 
R: This dam built by persecutors is going to burst very 
soon. Maybe Monday. 
JCT: Last chance before Christmas. 
>Buds_4_Life Post #65 
>Date: Dec 19 2004, 09:33 AM 
QUOTE: "Will John and Alan discuss their differences in an 
appropriate setting?"
D & L That's very doubtful, John wouldn't trust him after 
everything he's done & still doing. Alan had his chance to 
do the right thing for everyone & chose to line his pockets 
through Cannasat instead. Alan is the reason the whole 
country believes the law was resurrected......a major Paul 
Revere....D & L
JCT: I'll discuss our differences in online debate any 
time, any place. He's the guy who on the run. 
>Virgil Post #66 
>Date: Dec 19 2004, 11:29 AM 
V: I am thinking of Turmel the future movie, where there is 
this showdown resulting in victory at the historic hall of 
justice in Toronto. I cannot help but have him wear a t-
shirt that says. Better kook than crook. 
Tomorrow is showtime. 
JCT: Young's a spent force. He tried to explain his Cannasat 
motivations but deferred explaining how his Hitzig case 
brought the prohibition back to life. Har har har har. All 
Malmo-Levine's critiques he's ready to answer but my one, he 
still says we'll have to wait to have that explained, and 
only if we're nice. 
              
>http:// www.hempcity.net 
>Subject: Cannabis Prohibition is dead in Canada 
>Virgil
>Date: Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:33 am    
V: The biggest and best cannabis story inside the saga of 
the Free Cannabis Movement is happening in Canada. It is an 
amazing story because it is so incredible that it challenges 
your sense of what is real. There are those that say there 
is Free Cannabis For Canadians right now because the 
cannabis prohibition laws became dead on July 31, 2001. This 
is a well-established historical fact even though it would 
be May of 2003 before the media would inform the Canadian 
public of the facts. Several court rulings in May of 2003 
forced a media reporting frenzy that the CP laws were dead. 
JCT: The media played it up while it was based on the 
Windsor technicality that eventually lost and lost 
interest that J.P. got off because of the Parker-Turmel-
Paquette merit argument that eventually won.
V: What is strange is that the Crown acknowledges the death 
of their precious CP laws, yet there were 100,000 cannabis-
issue convictions when even the Crown admits the laws were 
dead. 
JCT: I know, Frankel's confession is a god-send. 
V: There has been no move by the Crown to right this 
injustice. 
JCT: Worse, Judge Kenkel in R.v. Peddle said staying charges 
based on a null statute is unjust, they must be quashed. So 
they stayed the 4000 charges just to add a little greater 
measure of injustice even when they lost. 
V: They just let the criminal records of good people stay 
there even though they were not in violation of any law. 
JCT: My Supreme Court Application #0570 asks for that 
correction. 
V: What is stranger still is how the Crown and the media 
have somehow resurrected laws that were struck down by the 
courts. What brought the death of the laws in the first 
place was Health Canada not providing an epileptic named 
Terry Parker with cannabis. On July 31, 2000, the courts 
ruled that Terry Parker's right to life under the Charter of 
Rights and Freedoms was at risk due to the failure of Health 
Canada to provide him access to the cannabis needed because 
of his epilepsy. It was Terry Parker in the courts that 
first required Health Canada to come up with a MMJ program. 
When they failed, he would go back to court to say they 
failed. The July 31, 2000 would say that the situation was 
unconstitutional and that Terry Parker had a right to supply 
and that if Health Canada could not fix its supply problems 
in one year for people in need of MMJ, then there would be 
Free Cannabis For Everyone. Health Canada to this day 
obstructs supplying clinical cannabis and there are 600 
approved patients where there are a million in need. 
The Crown claims a miracle reincarnation of the dead laws 
because of some words in the judgment section of a ruling on 
October 7, 2003 in a Hitzig appeal before the Ontario 
Supreme Court. The Court did not order a resurrection of 
sections of the CDSA and it is the orders of the court that 
have meaning. The judgment is only a line of reasoning the 
judge is following to come to the orders. 
Even if the Ontario Court of Appeals had ordered a 
resurrection of the parts of the CDSA, it is beyond their 
authority. It takes a legislature to pass laws and since no 
new legislation has come, there are no laws against 
possession, cultivation, or trafficking of cannabis in 
Canada. 
It is my belief that it is just another fraud inside the 
massive fraud that is Cannabis Prohibition itself. The court 
case that could break the story open could come as early as 
Friday with a decision to quash the charges against Mike 
South (Pierre Drouin & Real Martin) in Cochrane. The 
appointed council says that either she or her partner will 
make Canadian law history with this attempt to quash for 
Mike South. It is at the end of message1552 of Turmel at 
YahooGroups. 
It is an all but unbelievable story that I have been 
following for some time. You can read the story by John 
Turmel at 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MedPot/message/1551 
Turmel is the one writing the messages at yahoo. There is 
thread at the website created by people that ran the John 
Kerry website that is following this amazing story at 
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=6332 
I hope you hear that the CP laws in Canada are dead very 
soon- and maybe on Friday.
_________________
My creed is to heed the need to free the weed, dweeb. Let the 
prohibitionists say what they will, then ask, "How will things 
be different when Miracle Plant is regulated?"
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emporer
Date: Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:30 pm
Subject: Turmel Time 
One of the cannabis related websites I participate in is out 
of Amsterdam at HempCity.net. 
You might be interested in the thread going on in: 
http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1006982&Main=1002863#Post1006982 
David Malmo Levine and Eco2man have been cat fighting the 
past few days, but guess what? - they both agree Turmel is a 
kook. They offer no substantive answers but have provoked 
several posters to eloquent defense of the engineering paper 
pusher. 
Everybody's expecting the thread to be struck down, but at 
least the Cannabis Press is naming his name. The Prince 
might even make a statement. 
The court case that could break the story open could come as 
early as Friday with a decision to quash the charges against 
Mike South in Cochrane. 
Mike South is appearing in Toronto court. His case will be 
heard Monday. Cochrane is a mining town, a few hundred miles 
to the north. It involves Pierre Drouin, another of Turmel's 
coachees. Try: 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MedPot/message/1520 
and 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MedPot/message/1533
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>Virgil
>Date: Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:36 am    
>Subject: Thanks for that input 
It is somewhat confusing figuring out what Turmel is saying 
because it involves people and court cases that are 
presented so casually in his writing. 
The idea of kook is not relevant. It was Turmel that 
engineered the defeat of the possession and cultivation laws 
in the Parker decision made by Judge Pitt. The subject is 
discussed in the thread at Common Ground Common Sense using 
Alan Young's own words. 
This is really somewhat of a test for our ability to 
communicate news throughout the world using the Internet. 
This is important stuff that Turmel is spouting and it only 
has three places on the Internet exploring the subject that 
is definitely the subject of a media blackout in Canada. 
Does anyone argue that 100,000 people were convicted in the 
period from August 1, 2001 to October 7, 2003? Even the 
Crown does not dispute the laws were dead during this time 
and what has the Crown done to remedy the injustice. 
There is plenty of stink in all of this no matter how you 
look at it. Of course if what Turmel says is true, we should 
know soon enough. The reason it has taken this long is 
because we as a reform community did not get the story out 
for people's defense before the courts in Canada. Now there 
are people presenting the proper arguments and in some ways 
our discussion in the three known threads on the subject, 
including this one, are not as important as it once was. 
It is still a great perspective to see through Turmel's 
eyes. This is a story of giant fraud and media blackout. The 
reason I put up a thread here is so that people might have a 
chance to latch on to the story as it unfolds now that it is 
crunch time.
JCT: Sumbitch David Frankel's confession is so important 
that I have put together on 1 page all that is needed to 
torpedo his boat: 
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/frankel.bmp
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/frankel.jpg
Go read it and enjoy the Supreme Court's answer:
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/kriegscc.bmp
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/kriegsc2.bmp
Let's all pray there's a good judge on the roster tomorrow.
--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm 
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

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