TURMEL: Virgil adds pressure to the Krieger cooker

From: John Turmel (bc726_at_FreeNet.Carleton.CA)
Date: 01/30/05 

Date: 30 Jan 2005 14:03:23 GMT

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=6332&st=140
From: Virgil
Date: Jan 29 2005, 09:23 PM

This Saturday Turmel is up to Message1651. In 1651 Turmel
presents the three court events of next week.

Tuesday will be the Johnson's Krieger challenge at Elliot
Lake, British Columbia.

On Wednesday the 2nd Turmel will go to court for himself on
his section 5 trafficking charge involving the 3 kilos he
was distributing on Parliament Hill. He will move to quash
the charges. This publicity stunt was after the May, 2003
rulings that forced the media to acknowledge the laws were
dead.

Then Thursday the 3rd, the grower of 4000 plants in Quebec,
Dominic Gravel, will file a motion to be released because of
the uncertainty that there is a law to charge him with.

The Quebec media have given some coverage to the challenges
on the existence of the laws and they are the real highlight
of the past week. They may not have fully grasp the
immenseness of the implications, but they are aware that
something big is in front of them. The Krieger challenge is
all just a stew waiting for doneness.

Message 1650 concerns the media finally covering what the
Johnsons are saying except that the report is deficient
because it says they are only challenging the existence of
possession laws and omits the fact that Krieger struck down
cultivation laws. It is the news from Quebec with Turmel in
the aid of Gravel that has done some damage already.

Last Thursday, Turmel was at the hearing for Gravel. Gravel
should have dropped his attorney for the offense challenges,
but did not. If Gravel was representing himself, the Crown
would have been responsible for filling out the form to get
him to court. Since, he did not drop the attorney, it was
his attorney's responsibility to get the form filled out for
delivery of Gravel to court. The attorney did not fill out
the form and Gravel did not make it to court. All of that is
off until this Thursday.

Turmel has past experience with many of the players that
show up in court. Turmel was born in Quebec and speaks
French. He knew Gravel's attorney, Jacques Belley, from
earlier days. These are Turmel's words at
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MedPot/message/1650

>So I went to the Registry to check how it works for
prisoners without lawyers and lo and behold, there's Jacques
Belley... I'd much prefer having a senior attorney who
admits he and the bench were taken in by the scam to the kid
who has to convince the bench and the bar blew it all alone.

So there's no story other than the story has been put off
till next week but can't be ducked.

JCT: It's the big one all right. Kid Gatineau tells me that
Krieger has hit the prison grape-vine. They're calling their
lawyers to find out about it because they didn't know the
law was dead when they were convicted. So you can see how
the prisoners would get excited as the news starts down the
prison grapevine but how the lawyers would be less so.
Dominic says they're all scared to comment on it but
everybody's waiting to see what happens on Thursday. Dom's
starting to get a taste of how his "second biggest garden"
is going to be the "biggest cause celebre" Quebec has ever
seen. I've heard there are at least 4 more prisoners who
will get out if Krieger is found to rule in the nation of
Quebec if not the nation of Canada. Yet. Let Quebec lead the
way and show those Anglos that no bunch of Ontario judges
are going to foist their new resurrected law on Franco-
Quebec when our National elected Parliament still has
trouble. No, I don't think the Hitzig judge's resurrection
is going to go over very well if the Crown tries to bring it
up. Har har har har.
"Votre seignerie, c'est vrai que la loi etait tombee mais
les Anglos juges Doherty (Irelande?), Simmons (Angleterre?)
et Goudge (Angleterre?) nous ont ecrit une nouvelle." Har
har har har.
"My Lord, it's true that the law was repealed but Anglo
judges Doherty (Ireland?), Simmons (England?) and Goudge
(England?) have written us up a new one." Har har har har.
 
>Virgil Post #141
>Date: Jan 29 2005, 11:46 PM

Ron, I finally got around to putting something up at
rabble.ca. They call their forums babble and here is a foot
in the water there-
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.cgi...f=5&t=001427&p=

JCT: I've posted this article below as Appendix A:

And I much appreciate your getting the word out, Virgil. But
now that it's hit the prison grapevine for people whose very
freedom now rests on whether Krieger rules in Quebec, I
don't think it's possible for the story to stay buried. I
just hope Judge Serre is reading this so she realizes that
if she pulls the Judges' Nazi Nuremberg Defence "I was just
following Orders" (Hitzig), only 2 days later there will be
a judge ruling on the same issue in a higher profile case
who is not bound by that unjust genocidal Order from above.

Actually, if it can break the Canada national news before
she rules on Tuesday, if she finds out that Judge Rogers has
reserved on the S.5(2) Spirit and Letter of the law
arguments for Ethier in Sturgeon Falls, and that a Superior
Court judge in a province not bound by the unjust Order from
above for Gravel is coming up, I don't think she'd take the
Johnson case too lightly.

Besides, if she says no, they're back in Superior Court for
a Prohibition Order, a la Nielsens, 3 days later. It's not
as if they're going to be able to keep the Johnsons out of
the news. Now that they wrote their first report in the
Elliot Lake Standard, every new move will inevitably get
covered.

V: I also put something up at NORML.ca forums-
http://normlcanada.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=275 It sure
seems like it is worthy of discussion for a NORML website.

JCT: I've added that message as appendix B

V: The guy that needs to be interviewed now if there were
such thing as a newsworthy media would be with Frankel.

JCT: Hw true. I called the editor of the National Capital
News in Ottawa and suggested he give Frankel a call, in case
he's based in Ottawa across the street from the Supreme
Court of Canada where he argues.

V: In 1644 Turmel is talking about breaking the media
silence in Quebec. The heading of the message is "CHOT-TVA
Gilles Mailloux breaks "S.7 is dead" story!!" The lead
paragraph is
>- It's official. Quebec knows that Dominic Gravel is
challenging the his incarceration on the grounds that the
S.7 cultivation prohibition is dead!

JCT: No mention of Krieger yet but S.7 was clearly defined
as the target statute that we're having the funeral for.

V: In Message1644, Turmel says that the Krieger decision was
not appealed to the Supreme Court-

>They didn't even appeal Krieger within 30 days by Jan 4
2003. David and Harvey were waiting to hear the results of
Harvey's Parker-Hitzig-Turmel Lederman decision on Jan 9. So
they missed their deadline to apply for leave to appeal.

JCT: I meant it wasn't appealed on time. They applied for
and an got an extension of time a few months later which is
why the Frankel Memorandum is dated May 16, 2 days after I
thwarted his hopes of new Parliamentary legislation, and not
within 30 days of December 4 2002 when the court ruled. Five
and half months later they got their application in. And
then lost. But what was the cultivation section like between
Jan 4 2003 and when they launched their appeal in May? So
they didn't appeal, like Parker, and there should have been
a proclamation that it was now official and the law books
were going to be changed, but since it's also David
Frankel's Ministry of Justice job to inform the Criminal
Code printers when the law is struck, when he didn't do it,
nobody did. And had the new legislation been introduced on
May 15, he'd have been off the hook for not ordering a new
print job for the months between Jan 4 2003 when they
officially missed their appeal deadline and whatever date
the new legislation would be passed. It would have been
seamless with no print job ever showing that S.4 or S.7 were
ever erased.

Actually, that is a fascinating point. Since the Minister of
Justice can't show one example of the printed law reflecting
the court's rulings, isn't that one heck of a contempt?

V: I thought the Krieger Ace was that the Supreme Court
turning down the appeal.. This paragraph in Message1644-
http://tinyurl.com/6qkqn -

JCT: Yes, that's still what Turmel calls the Ace. King is a
3-judge panel of a provincial Court of Appeal, they can
kill laws for sure, and Queen is a 1-judge ruling. They can
kill laws within their province for sure.

>And he almost got away with it when his rejection by the
Supreme Court got buried by the Clay-Caine-Malmo-Levine
recreational use losses! What a perfect cover for his loss.
Except Turmel noticed the fourth case on the list, dug out
Frankel's memorandum admitting S.7 was dead and dug out that
no one knew because it didn't make the news. And the rest of
his nightmare is history.

JCT: Frankel had received his 60-day extension of time in
March so that had the new legislation been introduced on May
15, he wouldn't have had to sign his Memorandum of
culpability on May 16 for filing with the Application for
Leave to appeal on May 20. Had the new legislation come in,
the Krieger gap would have been filled and he would no
longer need to continue any appeal on a moot issue. He was 1
day away from getting his new legislation introduced when
the "Liberal" Minister called it off. Har har har har.

Appendix A:
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=001427&p=

babble: The Cannabis laws in Canada are dead
walking the talk; activism;
The Cannabis laws in Canada are dead

Topic: The Cannabis laws in Canada are dead
Author: Virgil
recent-rabble-rouser
Babbler # 8053 posted 30 January 2005 01:02 AM
                          
I will attend this thread and try to add as much information
as requested. I would hope that some of the writers at
Rabble would view this subject worthy of study and
reporting.

Many Canadians might remember the fall of possession laws
with the media outburst that came in May of 2003, with court
rulings that acknowledged that the possession laws were of
no force and effect since August 1, 2001. That is still true
and section 7 cultivation laws were struck down with a
Krieger ruling in Alberta. Legal cultivation implies an
absurdity of law regarding trafficking in Section 5 of the
CDSA.

The courts move slowly, but now the situation is approaching
a revelation that the media can no longer hide. I would just
like to mention two threads that will tell all about the
situation and give sources of information. One is HempCity-
http://www.hempcity.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=517 The other
is CommonSenseCommonGround-
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=6332&st=120

This is a huge story kept completely off radar by the media
until some humble coverage this last week in two court
cases.
There were 100,000 cannabis convictions when even the Crown
and the media acknowledge the death of the possess laws and
nobody has done anything to clear their records.

I hate to be brief about something that I believe is just
the most gigantic of stories of corruption and media
complicity in Canadian history. It is just that a lot of
what has happened is already been recorded on the Internet
and a word for the curious should be sufficient. 

---
Appendix B: 
www.norml.ca :: 
The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws 
in Canada
Forum Index -> Canadian Activism
Virgil
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:56 pm
The dead cannabis laws in Canada and the upcoming stink 
I recognize some names here and this subject will not be 
totally new to some. Everyone should be familiar with the 
rulings of May, 2003 that said possession laws died on 
August 1, 2001. There is also a Krieger case from Alberta 
that struck down the section 7 of the CDSA cultivation laws. 
I am one that believes that there are no laws against 
possession and cultivation of cannabis in Canada and that 
the courts are about ready to rule that trafficking is an 
absurdity with the advent of Free Cannabis For Canadians. 
I do not see much point in going on as there are twi threads 
that chronicle the events of the last few months. One is at 
HempCity- 
http://www.hempcity.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2044#2044 and 
the other is at CommonGroundCommonSense- 
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=6332&st=120 
The court events of the first week in February might break 
the media silence just as rulings in May of 2003 created a 
media outburst. The scandal has grown as the Crown has 
prosecuted and convicted well over 100,000 Canadians with a 
law that does not exist. There is a big stink coming on both 
the media and the Crown.
JCT: Thanks loads for helping smash the prohibition dam. 
Getting the already-declared-unconstitutional-in-Krieger 
declared no longer known to law for the past 2 years kills 
all marijuana charges everywhere instantly. 
Then we push back another two years and free and erase all 
those abuses. 
Then we pushback another couple of decades to when we got 
our Charter rights to free and erase all those abuses.
Then we go back to 1923 when the stupid genocidal law was 
introduced and apologize to anyone hurt by the trade in the 
world's best medicinal herb. 
--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm 
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

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