Re: Wages Vs Prices

"The Trucker" <mikcob@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:<d3q36s0bp0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>...
> "jim blair" <jeblair@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:8bf2d1e5.0504151127.5c6159f3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > The Trucker <mikcob@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:<d281kp020fo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>...
> >> Jim Blair wrote:
> > ,
> >> >
> >> > About a million immigrants come to the USA each year legally, and about
> >> > as
> >> > many illegally. Almost all of them come here because they can get jobs.
> >> > Yet
> >> > far more people than that who are already here did not take those jobs.
> >> > If Americans had wanted those jobs, they would have taken them. This is
> >> > not
> >> > "magic", just an observation of reality.
> > ....
> >>
> >> > And is it "bigotry" for a US farmer to hire a Mexican to pick crops? Or
> >> > for
> >> > a US hospital to hire a nurse from India? Or would it be bigotry to
> >> > refuse to?
> >
> > Trucker:
> >> >
> >> >>...After all, there
> >> >> are plenty of finely educated workers in low cost countries who could
> >> >> competently fill almost any domestic position.
>
> I can't seem to find where I wrote the stuff just above that you attibute
> to me.

Hi,

Sorry if I got the wrong source for this. Maybe it was from Matt
Timmerman who originated this thread and was the only other to
contribute to it--at least according to my Google. But then the
Google I am using came up all in Hebrew when I typed in
http://www.google.com. I got to a UK version using a link on the
Hebrew version, and so far that's the best I can do :-(

>
> > jeb:
> >> >
> >> > It is not clear what your point is. Most educated foreign workers remain
> >> > in
> >> > their home country. But yes, US hospitals (for one exmple) do recruit
> >> > nurses from South Africa, India, Phillipeans, and other Englich speaking
> >> > countries. Because they cannot find enough US nurses to tend to their
> >> > patients. And many do come because the the US hospitals pay more than
> >> > the foreign hospitals.
> >
> > Trucker:
> >>
> >> We have a nursing shortage because the wages paid to nurses are not as
> >> high as they should be. And H1B visas have made the situation much
> >> worse.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Worse for who? Those in a hospital? Those who need a nurse? The
> > nurse who moved here from India?
>
> Worse for Americans as a group.

So patients and immigrant nurses benefit, but "Americans as a group"
are worse off??

I say there is no such thing as "Americans as a group"; some Americans
gain and some lose (in the short run). Same as with new technology.
Or as with trade.


>....If we need more nurses then we
> should pay them more so that more people will choose nursing as
> a career. That is how the market is supposed to work.

Strange thing is that nurses are well paid. But college students in
the US are still majoring in Art History and English Lit and in
various ethnic studies, and then complaining about how they can't find
jobs when they graduate. Nurses have LOTS of job offers.

>....If these
> other counties need nurses then they can use thier own people.


Some countries do seem to train more science/medical students than the
US. And send their grads to the US for graduate school. Why don't
more US kids major in math or science or medicine?

I say it is not because the job market is better for history or
literature majors.

> If not then their people should be learning different trades.

They are learning those things that pay off in the US--nursing for one
;-)
>
> > Trucker:
> >>
> >> >>...Everyone who works competes
> >> >> against low cost labour.
> >
> > jeb:
> >> >
> >> > In some sense, everyone competes with everyone else.
> >> >
> >> > But would you stop hospitals from importing foreign nurses? And have
> >> > more
> >> > patients die from lack of care?
> >>
> >> No. Most of us would pay the nurses more so as to attract competent
> >> Americans into the field.
> >
> > Lets take a survey of how many in a hospital would choose to pay more
> > to have a US born nurse. Or of how many think medical care in the US
> > does not now cost enough.
>
> Typical Blair pig***. Current care costs so much because of layers on
> layers of PRIVATE insurance companies and PRIVATE hospitals
> and PRIVATE physicians that belong to the AMA union, ....

So if medicine were run by the government (ie Republicans) it would be
cheaper?


>...and drugs
> that WE pay scandelous prices for while the rest of the world gets
> a free ride.

And where were most of those drugs developed? I think there was an
attempt to charge more here in the US because Americans can afford to
pay more, and to sell them for less where the people are
poorer--Africa for example with AIDS drugs.

Is that "fair"?

>
>> >
> >> >
> >> >
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