Re: Santorum introduces more rent collection opps

Mark Monson wrote:

> > And ought to prove to you that the State is the Aparatus of the
elite
> > and exists to pretect their privilege.

> When you say, "the State" do you mean a particular state, a
particular kind > of state, or every possible state?

When I say State, I mean specificly an involuntary form of monolithic,
top-down governance, that protects the property rights of the elite.

Being a computer programmer I like the Client/Server vs. Peer to Peer
analogy.

Marxist-Leninist, Liberals and Capitalists want a Client/Server type
state, involuntary and with centralized authority. Anarchists want a
peer to peer social order, an interactive network of syndicates and
communes that all are free to join or leave, and all share equally in
the collective Rents and Interests earned by the commune, yet each
privately retains their Wages.

> The concept of "state" can in my mind be reduced no further than
authority > over land.

However the State also controls it Citizenship, by way of Immigration
laws, appropriation of production by forced taxation, tariffs,
enforcement of laws against consensual conduct etc. It goes far beyond
authority over land. It certainly does not serve to //mutualize// land,
but rather serves to protect private property rights to land.

The State, by definition in Anarchism, is the apparatus of the elite.

This does not mean that one could envision a imaginary "Just" State, it
means that the real State is not just, and can not be made just because
in the Capitalist mode of production the price of Labour is reduced to
its cost (Subsistence) and thus the wage slave has no basis for the
accumulation of wealth needed to influence the State.

Therefore while a just state is not impossible, the creation of just
state is an economic impossibility.

Also, any form of top-down rule is vulnerable to capture, thus even if
it is in the service of justice, it can be captured and turned.

In a peer to peer model, breakdowns are more easily contained, the
other nodes can collectively cause the network to self-heal, through
the isolation of damaged nodes.

> Thus the only possible society without a state is one where no
person or > group of persons claims authority over land.

That is more or less the proposal of certain Individualist Anarchist
(like Tucker), but mainstream Anarchist models, including my own
developing Venture Communist model, place authority of the land in
distributed worker/resident owned syndicates and communes.

Regards.

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