Re: Santorum introduces more rent collection opps
- From: "Quirk" <quirk@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 28 Apr 2005 07:41:40 -0700
The Trucker wrote:
> And I posit that it is much more achievable than your
> concept of anarchism.
However as long as the reform you seek has nothing more than whatever
is retained after the cost of subsistence has been subtracted from the
wages of labour to fund it, I am very sceptical of its chances.
> > Hardly, as our conversation with each other here in the Internet
> > proves. If Client/Server where superior we would be having this
> > discussion on CompuServ.
> Yet there are many "news servers" and many clients.
Proving it is a distributed network with no central point of failure.
> Why do you think that Representative democracy is not an
> attempt at justice? That is what you seem to want.
I do not think that Representative democracy is not an
attempt at justice, I think it is impossible to reform the State.
Many liberal ideals, including democracy, can be (and in fact can only
be) achieved by organising industrially instead of politically. This is
the fundamental argument of the Anarchists.
> I would say that it doesn't even matter. No one is
> going to extinguish evil and claiming to try is, as you
> say, a distraction from the real objectives. So if
> some entity makes this claim they should be removed
> as a matter of course for being frauds and liars.
However they will not be removed so long as the frauds and lies serve
the interest of property.
> And as I have asserted, it may be that the labor and
> agreement of the people is sufficient to overcome this
> problem. If we can win elections in large enough
> number it is simply not possible to rig them.
They can not "win elections" when they have no candidates to vote for,
and lack the wealth to organise sufficient mass support.
> > Even if this were true, how is this relevant to the theory of
Anarchism
> > and not mere equivocation?
> They seem to be correct. And it tells us that the equilibrium
> you seek is not sustainable.
You've lost me here Trucker, people who are misrepresent Anarchism
either willfully or out of ignorance "seem to be correct" and the
opinions of people who are not involved with or actively against
Anarchism tells us something about its equilibrium?
Any criticism of Anarchism is properly addressed to the actual beliefs
supported by Anarchists, and not appeals to popular misrepresentations.
Regards.
.
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