Re: Health insurance

Sgt.Sausage wrote:

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> "nospam" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Sgt.Sausage wrote:
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>>> "Michael Scheltgen" <mjs818@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>>   Indeed, this was once the case in North America -- doctors charged
>>>>   the
>>>> poor little, if anything, for services and charged the wealthy more to
>>>> subsidize his treating the poor.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think this makes anyone a socialist.
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>>>
>>> It does when you *force* it upon the docs through some
>>> government run sham called "universal healthcare".
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>> No it doesn't. Socialism is when there is no private owned business,
>> but all the production means are owned by community.
> 
> And what, exactly, are the "productions means" for a doc?

Scanner, echograph, operation table and so on.

> You are contolling the doc's means of production by telling
> him what he can & can't charge. You *own* his means of
> production.

Nope. You can put a limit on  the maximum amount he can charge.
Private insurance companies do the same, they only don't tell you.

> That's Socialism. Even by your above quoted definition.

So private insurance companies are Socialism. Interesting....

>> The premiums of private health insurance skyrocket so that almost 50 Mil.
>> can not afford it.
> 
> If I can't afford a new car, I don't buy one.

But the fact that you drove an older car don't kill you, don't take away
your family food and so on. 

> If you can't afford healthcare, you don't get none. Period. Anything else
> means you have to *forcibly* take my dollars to pay for your problems.

Anything else means that looters CEOs of Enron & others pay their own fair
share. Into a society that pay the Exxon CEO 1000 times more than a PhD
researcher it is ridiculous to ask for "fairness of taxation" how long
looting is the main mean of getting rich.

> How is this not theft?

The fact that underqualified people are payed much better that hard working
highly educated persons? Yes this IS looting. 
However, since this is the system we got, at least we can ask them to pay
more.


>> In meantime the doctors get less and less money forcing
>> them out of profession.
> 
> If something ain't profitable, it's time to move on to another profession.
> 
> Fewer doctors will, ultimately (and without government intervention),
> lead to higher income for those that remain -- assuming sufficient
> demand (which, I think we can agree, there is).

And in meantime have hundred of thousand deaths. It is not enough for you
18000+ every year. You want more ?


> I'm kissing no ones ass. I'm simply a small business owner who doesn't
> want you, or anyone else sucking off my profits. Mine. I *earned* them.
> When you have your profits, go ahead and give 'em up if you want. Forcing
> me to give up mine is, still, nothing more than common theivery.

Then you are just misguided by propaganda. 
Into a universal health care system I actually expect for small businesses
and self employed to pay less. The big businesses lose their bargain power.
But for a small business to just get rid of the fixed expenses with health
care you actually should be happy.


>> The sad part, is that there are people easy to misslead believing this
>> lies,
>> then they come on usenet to show their ignorance.
> 
> Y'all fuckwits took over $80,000 (U.S.) from my wife and I in 2005
> to pay for your bull*** handouts, government pork, unnecessary bombs
> in an unnecessary war, and god knows what your fuckwit government
> pukes in washington decided to spend it on. $80,000. Think about that.

For this money you actually should be expected to pay less.
Bill Gates will pay for you, but hey, he destroyed Netscape, Stack
Electronics and Digital Research so he can afford that :-)


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