Re: Health insurance


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"Michael Scheltgen" <mjs818@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Indeed, this was once the case in North America -- doctors charged
the
poor little, if anything, for services and charged the wealthy more to
subsidize his treating the poor.

I don't think this makes anyone a socialist.


It does when you *force* it upon the docs through some
government run sham called "universal healthcare".

No it doesn't. Socialism is when there is no private owned business,
but all the production means are owned by community.

And what, exactly, are the "productions means" for a doc?

Scanner, echograph, operation table and so on.

Those are mere tools to a doc -- his primary means of
production are his service, his hours, his experience. A
doc does not take raw materials and crank them through
his "means of production" to complete a finished product.

His means is his brain, and his hands, and his time. You're
*owning* his time.

You are contolling the doc's means of production by telling
him what he can & can't charge. You *own* his means of
production.

Nope. You can put a limit on the maximum amount he can charge.
Private insurance companies do the same, they only don't tell you.

Private insurance companies work on *voluntary* contracts
with the docs. The doc can *choose* to be a part of their
provider network, or not.

That's Socialism. Even by your above quoted definition.

So private insurance companies are Socialism. Interesting....

Interesting leap of logic. See the voluntary part above.

The premiums of private health insurance skyrocket so that almost 50
Mil.
can not afford it.

If I can't afford a new car, I don't buy one.

But the fact that you drove an older car don't kill you, don't take away
your family food and so on.

So? If you can't afford to live, you die. It's absolutely wrong to
steal from me (and others) to support your pathetic life.

If you can't afford healthcare, you don't get none. Period. Anything else
means you have to *forcibly* take my dollars to pay for your problems.

Anything else means that looters CEOs of Enron & others pay their own fair
share.

They are.

Into a society that pay the Exxon CEO 1000 times more than a PhD
researcher it is ridiculous

Free market. Ridiculous is to set wage/compensation controls. You
will get paid your market value, plus-or-minus a fudge factor for your
negotiating skills.

to ask for "fairness of taxation" how long
looting is the main mean of getting rich.

Who's the looter?

How is this not theft?

The fact that underqualified people are payed much better that hard
working
highly educated persons? Yes this IS looting.

In this country, if you don't like your paycheck, you're free to quit today
and look for a better job.

However, since this is the system we got, at least we can ask them to pay
more.

They do.


In meantime the doctors get less and less money forcing
them out of profession.

If something ain't profitable, it's time to move on to another
profession.

Fewer doctors will, ultimately (and without government intervention),
lead to higher income for those that remain -- assuming sufficient
demand (which, I think we can agree, there is).

And in meantime have hundred of thousand deaths. It is not enough for you
18000+ every year. You want more ?

No -- I don't want more deaths. But I want even less for you
to take what is mine, so ... if it comes down to a choice of
you stealing from me, or letting a few more die, then HELL
YES.

The fact of the matter that you can't seem to get through your
thick skull is that people die, and resources are limited. I ain't
rolling over and giving you my paycheck so some unknown
john doe can live, when I might very well need that same
paycheck next year for a medical procedure. GET YOUR
HANDS OUT OF MY POCKET.



I'm kissing no ones ass. I'm simply a small business owner who doesn't
want you, or anyone else sucking off my profits. Mine. I *earned* them.
When you have your profits, go ahead and give 'em up if you want. Forcing
me to give up mine is, still, nothing more than common theivery.

Then you are just misguided by propaganda.
Into a universal health care system I actually expect for small businesses
and self employed to pay less.

Where the *** is the money going to come from to pay for
50 million non-payers?

The big businesses lose their bargain power.
But for a small business to just get rid of the fixed expenses with health
care you actually should be happy.

I'd like it -- to get rid of it, BUT NOT AT THE PRICE OF MY
FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHERE TO SPEND MY MONEY
WHERE I SEE FIT.



The sad part, is that there are people easy to misslead believing this
lies,
then they come on usenet to show their ignorance.

Y'all fuckwits took over $80,000 (U.S.) from my wife and I in 2005
to pay for your bull*** handouts, government pork, unnecessary bombs
in an unnecessary war, and god knows what your fuckwit government
pukes in washington decided to spend it on. $80,000. Think about that.

For this money you actually should be expected to pay less.
Bill Gates will pay for you, but hey, he destroyed Netscape, Stack
Electronics and Digital Research so he can afford that :-)

I DON'T WANT YOU, BILL GATES, SOME GOVERNMENT
AGENCY, OR THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER TO PAY FOR
ME. I CAN PAY MY OWN DAMNED WAY, SO GET YOUR
THEIVING HANDS OUT OF MY POCKETS.




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