Re: More Anti-Georgist Hate Propaganda (was Re: Georgist fabrications)

On 1 Feb 2006 22:25:13 -0800, w_b_ryan@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

"Prof Nicolaus Tideman, the intiator and first signatory of the letter.
If you had been interested in finding out the truth of the matter, you
could have emailed him yourself. And contrary to your lie, Wormtongue,
he does have a copy."
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Okay, let's see it. A photo-copy of the article, cover of the journal,
first few pages, etc. Post it to the Internet for the world to see.

I don't have it, and I don't have a website to put it on. Why don't
you contact Prof Tideman yourself if you are genuinely interested in
the facts? His email address is easy to find.

And, yes, I don't expect the truth from Tideman.

And you have still provided not one scintilla of evidence for that
claim, nor for any other claim you have made. I have been the one
providing the evidence that you demanded. You have provided nothing
but a barrage of lies and insinuations worthy of Wormtongue.

I do expect to find
that he is the initial forger and a very dispicable character.

If you have any evidence to that effect, why don't you contact him or
his employers, or the professional economists' association, rather
than libeling him here from the cowardly safety of your yahoo account?


FWIW, I have had discussions with Prof Tideman, and have never seen
any hint that he is "a very despicable character." Conspicuously
unlike the case of my discussions with you.

But you
compounded the forgery egregiously when you took excerpts from
Tideman's document, put them within quotation marks individually, under
which you placed the single name of one of the eminent economists.

No, each of them had signed the quoted material and thus authorized
such attribution, which is normal practice with open letters,
especially when there are many signatories. My attribution of the
quotes was reasonable and fully justified. Deal with it.

There's no question that it's a forgery,

On the contrary, there's no _evidence_ that it's a forgery. None.
Zero. Nil. Zip. Nada. Nothing but your grotesquely dishonest
insinuations and utterly unfounded accusations. It indeed appears to
me more and more likely that you are either a psychopath or a paid
disseminator of disinformation.

a supposed "open letter" from
several well-known economists from around the world, and you can't
produce even a single publication from outside of the Soviet Union to
verify that the document even existed in 1990.

Why would you look to me to produce such documents, rather than the
signatories, or the organizations that have put it up on numerous
websites? I had never even heard of the thing until years later, when
I found out where the quotes had originated.

That's just one-half of the evidence.

Oh? And the other half? Where is it? Where is _any_ of it? The
signatories are mostly still alive, and their email addresses in most
cases not hard to find. Why don't you ask them if they signed it?
Why don't you ask them if they believe the four Nobel laureates signed
it? Why don't you ask them if they ever talked about it with any of
the four laureates? Are you claiming that any of the signatures other
than those of the four laureates were forged? If so, which ones?

It's time for you to put up or shut up, Ryan (if that is really your
name, which I doubt). You demanded the source of the Friedman quote,
and I gave it to you. You demanded the source of the Samuelson quote,
and I gave it to you. You demanded the name and date of the journal
that printed the open letter to Gobachev, and I gave them to you. You
then, like the despicable, lying filth that you are, moved the
goalposts, and demanded that I put up a website with the journal on
it! You have also not followed through on your undertaking to look up
the Friedman and Samuelson quotes. When are _you_ going to provide
something other than evidence-free insinuations and calculatedly
enigmatic allusions to dark conspiracies?

Falsely accusing an eminent economist of forgery may be grounds for a
libel action, Wormtongue.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when our intention is to deceive.

LOL! You would know that better than anyone, Ryan. Your posts on
this subject in the past week or so have been very skillfully
constructed disinformation, which makes me suspect that you are a
professional at it. You have provided not one scintilla of evidence
for any of your outrageous claims, and I frankly do not expect you to,
ever.

Your web gets more tangled with each post, my little Nazi friend.

?? LOL!! Sorry, you lose, according to Godwin's Law. Loser.

By the
way, Tideman may well lose his status as "eminent economist" once this
matter reaches its conclusion.

?? Indeed? Then why haven't you done anything but post insinuations
here? Tideman is a reasonably well known economist at a respected
university. Unlike you, he has a personal as well as professional
name at stake. What on earth would be his motive for doing such a
thing, especially as it would so easily be exposed and have the exact
opposite of the presumably intended effect?

Hmmmm?

And I'm still waiting for you to look up the Samuelson and Friedman
quotes.

But I'm not holding my breath.

-- Roy L
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