Re: Health insurance


"nospam" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Sgt.Sausage wrote:

You still haven't told me how paying for 50 *million* folks
who can't pay their own way is going to be cheaper. I can't
fathom any kind of system in which adding 50 million will
end up cheaper.

I told you countless times, but you refuse to hear. Having a private
health
insurance industry, there are lots of unnecessarily expenses. Eliminate
them and you get huge amount of money to care for 50 M uninsured.

I'm hearing you, but you're not backing up your statements
with *actual numbers*.

How much does it cost to insure 50 million more folks?

Where, exactly (Itemize please, with subtotals) will you
be getting htis money?

- dividends payed to shareholders

How much is that?

- insanely high CEO and top management payments

How much is that? I already showed you where this
is a bogus argument -- with *real numbers* from a
*real corporation*.

Where are your numbers on this?

- payments to an army of lawyers looking for legal wholes in legislation
or
contracts to reduce or deny a coverage

How much is that?

And you don't think reduced benefits/denials will happen
with the Govt? You're high.

Look at what they're talking about with Social Security...
Reduced benefits. Waiting longer 'til retirement. *HIGHER
TAXES* to keep the ponzi scheme going ...

You don't think this will happen at all with health care?

I want some of what you're smoking, 'cause you're higher
than a kite.

- expenses with lobby in Washington to gather dumb politicians against a
universal health care system

How much is that?

- expenses with marketing to attract customers and propaganda to gather
support from weak minded

How much is that?

- huge waste of money by not having enough bargain power with drug
manufacturers

How much is that?

- growing expenses with illnesses getting worst in time in uninsured

Let talk a bit more on last 2.

Canada import drugs from US manufacturers, they pay import expenses and
delivery expenses to pharmacy. Then a US customer buy them from Canada,
pay
delivery expenses and he get it way cheaper than buying directly from US.

The reason this happen is because Canada act as the only one big customer
and have a huge bargaining power, compared with a domestic private
insurance company which have as shareholder the drug manufacturer itself.
If US companies would not make some proffit selling to Canada they would
not. Since they do, that mean that for US customers is just a rip off.

So ... How much, in actual dollars, does that amount to?

Looting !!!

When you get rid of the profit motive, just how many drug manufacturers
do you think will be left in the U.S.? What happens when they're gone?

A uninsured/unemployed person is discovered with a illness that can be
cured
for let say $2000. However, he can not afford to pay these expenses. He
waits another year or more until find a job with insurance. However, in
this time the condition got critical and instead of a 2000 pills he now
have to have a 100,000 operation. With a universal health care system, he
just get the 2000 pill set and everything is Ok.

Without a universal health care system, he just dies off and takes
no money out of my pocket. I see that as a far better situation than
taking money out of my pocket for some poor schlub that can't
afford a lousy 2 grand to stay alive.

When did *his* health (or lack thereof) become *my* responsibility?

It didn't. It never was my responsibility, but you're trying to make
it so.

Yes. We have the chance to cover the 50M unemployed and maybe even pay
less.

Show me your numbers. Just because we can save money on
each of your itemized list above, doesn't mean we can cover
50Million folks without paying more. Where are your numbers?

I don't want to hear about Canada, or Germany, or Argentina or
Mongolia -- I want the U.S. Numbers.

Again, when you own an insurance company or HMO, you can
make the decision on who you want to cover and who you want
to deny. Until then, it's not your decision.

Health insurance it is incompatible with business practice. Period.

Seems to be working out just fine a is. I pays my money, I gets
my coverage. No money for premiumns, no coverage. There ain't
no free lunch. Every man carries his own weight. No freeloading
theft involved.

Not having a universal health care system is allowing criminals owning
these
business to kill for a buck. Period.

Says you. If someone's dying, and I have not the means to
save them, and they die anyway, there is no definition of
murder (or killing) that I know of that says I've killed him.

He just died. That's the core fundamental that you can't seem
to get through your head. People die, and sometimes, as sad as
it is, there is nothing we can do. They're dead.

So yes. It is the only sane decision to be taken. Opposing it, it is
anti-social, exactly as the mafia mobs are.

I made my money the old-fashioned, honest way -- through
hard work and sacrifice. Now you want to send Vinny and
Guido to collect from my pocket via tax extortion. Who's
the mafia mob here? Sounds like you.



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