Re: Definition of "rich"?

<royls@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:07:13 +0200, peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_Bj=F8rn_Perls=F8?=) wrote:

ruetheday@xxxxxxxxxx <ruetheday@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ever read Locke?

Ever hear of the Lockean Provison? Even Locke recognized that the
homesteading of land is only justified as long as there is "as much and
as good left for others", which in reality is never, since the quantity
of land in existence is fixed.

Through trade (exchange) there is ALWAYS something left for others.

Locke didn't say "something." He said, "as much and as good."

Again, who will you have administer and decide "how much" is "as much
and as good"?


Robert Nozick demolished the idiotic labor-mixing claim in Anarchy,
State, and Utopia by asking, "if I pour some tomato juice I own into
the ocean, do I now own the ocean or did I just waste my tomato juice?"
He is a libertarian, BTW.

I own the book, but I don't remember reading that passage.

Yes, well, you seem to have misremembered Locke, too.

Oh, spare me.


He also asked an interesting question about homesteading - "does the
first private astronaut to land on Mars get to claim the patch of
ground his ship landed on, the whole planet, or the entire uninhabited
universe?"

Only as much land as he can reasonably cover on foot or in a rover.

And this arbitrary amount is justified how, exactly?

By the homesteaders mere precense on the area.


Thought not.

....


There is no logically coherent way to provide a moral defense of
private property rights in land and unproduced natural resources.
None.

I disagree.

Of course, but you're just wrong.

First come first serve is perfectly adequate justification for me.

But it has no moral basis and is not logically defensible, as I have
already proved.

Again, you've proved nothing, but merely endlessly reiterated your idea
that people should not own what they work to improve.


Besides, the alternatives (collectivisation or government
intervention) are repugnant.

Only if your beliefs are false.

So, you are a friend of government power?


--
regards, Peter Bjørn Perlsø
http://haxor.dk
http://liberterran.org
http://haxor.dk/fanaticism/
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