Re: Why health care insurance is so expensive in the US

Just Cocky wrote:

Both parties support corporatism (aka, fascism).

It looks like that way.

It started with FDR

Nope. It started much earlier. Remember the idiotic whining of Hoover in
Great Depression ? "Please hire, please hire ... ". At least from that
moment it was clear that corporations were in controll over political
power. Some of FDR's actions in GD however had strong anti corporate smell.
It was the WWII the moment where FDR and corporations joined in harmony.

The alternative, however, is not socialism.

You keep repeating this mantra over and over again despite the fact I
explained to you countless times what are the differences betwen various
form of government. Having strong gov.oversight over a capitalist society
and having strong safety nets does not make a society socialist. It is
still capitalism, but a strongly reformed one. As it should be.

The alternative is libertarianism. Let people be
free of both the shackles imposed by Corporations (which are a
creation of the State) and Big Government, and things will get better
for everybody.

JC, I do not question your good intent. I only question your logic :-)

First. I explained to you that the beloved "free market" of libertarian
ideology can not work. The economic power is additive. If you remove
coercion to controll the economic power, it will accumulate at the level
where the market can not do anything to break it up. At that moment the
newly created oligopoly (or monopoly) is going to controll the market
imposing coercion against everybody else.

Second. Once you have an oligopoly unchecked by political power, it will
take controll over political power. I explained to you into a previous post
how and why this happen.

Third. There are goals in society that need coercion to be achieved. One of
them is the preservation of environment. Many libertarians are also
antienvironmentalists, I know. But wouldn't be irresponsible to destroy the
environment where our kids are supposed to live ?

Forth. There are goals in society unachievable by a proffit driven mindset.
An example is the nuclear fussion. The oil, coal and uranium is going to be
depleted some time in the future. The nuclear fusion using hydrogen (from
water in the sea) seems the only unlimited source of energy we can bet on.
HOWEVER, as of this moment it is not clear how can it be achieved.
Billions and billions of investments in experimental reactors failed yet to
provide any self sustainable reaction. We are still pumping in our reactors
way more energy than what we get out of them. Not having yet any commercial
value, into a libertarian (for proffit only) society these investments
won't happen.
Heck, ANY fundamental research won't happen into a libertarian society.
There are still some nuts shells on crack claiming about space exploration
to be just a waste of money.

When the other energy resources are going to be depleted we won't have even
enough power to put in our test reactors to do research. The same will be
valid for space exploration. When we depleted all our raw materials on
Earth we may not be able to find enough materials to start exploring the
asteroids to get materials from there. Heck, last year in spring a
university report showed that AS OF THAT MOMENT we reached the point where
the cooper still existing inside Earth in unexploited reserves is LESS than
the cooper already in use by human race. That is: More than half of the
cooper available on Earth is already in use today in pipes, cables, sheets
etc. If our society is going to need more cooper than 2 times what we
already use today, the only source is ... out of this Earth (possibly
asteroids). And for that we need space exploration, we need to go to the
moon despite the fact that some libertarians on these newsgroup label
Apollo program as a useless waste of taxpayers money.

The libertarian ideology is going to drive our society toward collapse of
civilization, famine, world wars etc... since some goals required to
prevent such of things to happen are not an immediate proffit on the free
market. And into a libertarian society they will never happen before is
impossible to make them happen.

And BTW: We already experienced a libertarian society. Before we evolved out
of apes, we lived into a pure anarchic way, a pure libertarian society.
However, once we got a brain we started to put order in that anarchy, or
maybe we develop a brain ESPECIALLY to get out of libertarian dream
world :-)

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