Re: Effects of raising minimum wages in USA


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Michal Gancarski wrote:

Yes, there are. Minim wage is an important factor among less educated
and
less paid workers. For expample I do not think anybody would propose
that
minimu wage influences unemployment level of well-paid specialists and
freelancers.

It does. Better wage means more spending into economy.
More demand create better jobs.

Better wage means I, as the employer, have to spend more to pay
those wages. Either I make cutbacks (which likely won't happen -- we
run a pretty lean machine in my shop) OR, alternatively, I raise my
prices
so I can now afford to pay the higher wage.

If you could raise prices with the same work force and the same capital
(machinery and such) as you have right now, you would already have
done it. An increase in minimum wage will not "allow" you to suddenly
increase the price and you know it.

No *** *** Tracy and you just proved my point.
Since I *can't* arbitrarily raise the price what does that leave me?
Cut expenses. Cut headcount. You're fired. Q.E.D

Moron.

Only AFTER people have more
to spend as a result of an across the board increase in wages forced
by a rising minimum wage will you be able to increase prices. You may
fairly and accurately refer to this as a "wage price spiral" if you want.
But the prices will FOLLOW the wages only after people get more
money to spend. And this assumes that the rentseekers will not take
it all before the laborers can spend it on your products.

So ... You've got an extra dollar an hour in your pocket, but
everything you buy from me and all the other shop owners who
have to support the higher wage costs more so you what do you
have: a net null effect.

No. If wages continue to rise and prices THEREFORE continue to
rise then the workers gain as the prices are adjusting LATER than
the wages --- sticky prices work both ways.

Hogwash. I can't raise my price. I can't pay my bills. Guess what.
You're fired before the next pay period, and before the bills are due.
How's that raise working for ya now?

Y'all dumbasses would bleed me dry if I let you. I'm closing up
shop. Go find another job. I'm off to Aruba, and taking my
money with me. See ya.

More money in your paycheck being cancelled
out by higher prices at the cash register. You've gone nowhere.

Still wrong. Those who "have money" (and that includes fixed "interest"
government bonds and the like) will LOSE power to those who earn
wages. Old money is worth less as money is devalued by overall
inflation.

And you don't see this as wrong either? Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. (Over)
Seems like you *want* to cause inflation. Are you stupid?

How does that solve anything for anyone?

It makes the worker AND THE PROPRIETOR more wealthy at
the expense of the bond/money holder.

And that ain't robbery? I'm a bond/money holder too -- and I've got
more tied up in that arena than I do in my shop. Now you want to
take my money from *both* angles.

Then, you're back next year saying the inflation monster is taking
over, as evidenced by the higher prices at the cash register, and
demand still higher wages, and we start the whole she-bang all
over again.

Even so, the old money loses to the new wages.

I ask again: How the hell does this solve anything for anyone?

I say again: The holder of money is hurt by the inflation and the
laborer gains by it. If the laborer owes money (like on his
fixed rate mortgage) he does even better.

And that's a god-damned dumb way to run things. Go ahead, run up
a debt. It ain't gonna cost ya a thing to pay for it all by the time we
get done with this inflation thing.

You oughta run for office. They're all spoutin' the same bull***
in D.C. where they can't seem to get the spending under control .


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