Re: more electoral defeats for the feudalists

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:09:53 -0500, Bob Kolker <nowhere@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

ruetheday@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:

I followed these "takings initiatives" quite closely during election
week. Not only do I oppose them on principle, but for the very
pragmatic reason that, if passed, they could virtually bankrupt state
governments. Virtually every single environmental regulation, every
zoning law, every property tax increase, etc. could be declared a
taking and thus become compensable. This is sheer idiocy.

Our entire legal structure, from the earliest days of Common Law to the
current day is predicated on the Sanctity of Property.

No, stupid, it isn't. It's predicated on the fairness of _process_.

Any law or
regulation that deprives a party of the use of or control of -his-
property is compensatable.

No, stupid, it isn't. Government owes nothing to people just because
they expect government to provide it; and secure use and control of
land _is_ something that government provides, whether you consent to
know that fact or not.

The only issue is how much compensation and
how fair it is.

No, stupid, it isn't. The issue is whether there is a genuine
deprivation of rights, or only a loss of expected privileges.

This notion that land is common to mankind as a whole is bogus and has
no place in English Common Law or any of its latter day derivatives and
entailments.

No, stupid, it isn't, as even the most cursory knowledge of the
history of English land titles would show you -- if you were willing
to learn anything.

Land belongs to he who possesses it and can defend against adverse
claims, by force if necessary.

No, stupid, it doesn't. That is a formulation quite suitable to
subhuman animals (not mentioning any names). Human beings, however,
have devised more effective ways of relating to natural resources.

In short Might makes Right once again.

No, stupid, it never has, and never will.

Generally governments have the Most Might.

Which makes you wrong, stupid, even on your own terms.

All this Georgist crap is just that, crap. It has no historical
standing, at least not in English speaking cultures.

Yes, stupid, it has, as even the most cursory knowledge of the English
commons system would show you -- if you were willing to learn
anything.

It is bogus.

No, stupid, it is not. It is logically entailed by self-evident and
indisputable facts of objective reality.

Few take it seriously.

Right: the intelligent, informed and moral few.

It will NEVER EVER become the social order in the
English speaking world.

It will, stupid, or the English speaking world will become extinct,
out-competed by cultures more willing to know and act on the
self-evident and indisputable facts of objective reality.

Our society is all about property and the power that derives from
property.

Yes, stupid, it is, just like all the other decadent, privilege-ridden
societies of which history records the doom.

Justice and rights are incidental if at all.

No, stupid, they are fundamental, although the ignorant and stupid
(not mentioning any names) don't know it, and the evil don't want
anyone to know it.

Get used to it.

No, stupid, we will continue to fight it.

There are too many laws and too little justice and that is the way the
world is.

No, stupid, that is the way the stupid and ignorant have allowed
themselves to be convinced it must be, and the evil (not mentioning
any names) want to conivnice everyone it must be.

-- Roy L
.

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