Re: more electoral defeats for the feudalists


Peter Bjørn Perlsø wrote:
<royls@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:18:09 +0100, peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_Bj=F8rn_Perls=F8?=) wrote:

<royls@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:47:24 +0100, peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_Bj=F8rn_Perls=F8?=) wrote:

<royls@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:05:09 -0500, Bob Kolker <nowhere@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Peter Bjørn Perlsø wrote:
Michael Scheltgen <mjs818@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

And it is the Government (aka society)

Government is NOT EQUAL TO SOCIETY!!!

This is a common error among the Statist and the pinko stinko liberal
commies. They see society and government as one and inseperable.

Strawman. I doubt you can quote anyone at all making such a
statement. You are just making $#!+ up again.

No, Roy, in this case he is right. Socialists and collectivists
typically do not know the difference between state and society, and they
ultimately want them to be completely overlapping and united.

Unless you can provide some sort of direct, verbatim, in-context
quotes to that effect, you are just pulling the same old strawman $#!+
Bob pulls.

I cant quote *every* conversation I have ever had with state socialists
here.

Can you quote _any_ that supports your claim? The quote at the top of
this post does not support it, because it has clearly been taken out
of context: Michael meant that government _acts_for_ society, not that
it actually _is_ society (i.e., he probably meant "IOW," not "aka,"
and was just being a bit sloppy), because without government, society
lacks effective means to act in its collective interest (which of
course by no means implies that government always _does_ act in
society's interest).

Consider the analogy of a man using a hammer to drive a nail. When
describing the process, we might say "the hammer (IOW the man) drives
the nail." The man of course does not hit the nail with his fist, and
can't drive the nail without using a hammer. Likewise, without the
man, the hammer does nothing; but that doesn't mean a description of a
man's use of a hammer to drive a nail mistakes the man for his hammer.
And continuing the above analogy, just because a man needs a hammer to
drive a nail doesn't mean he will never hit his thumb with it.

You are going out of your way to rationalize what is at best sloppy
thinking.

Not really. I'm not sure how anyone could seriously suggest that
government IS society as opposed to an AGENT of society. Clearly there
are members of society who are not members of the government, so the
two cannot be equivalent.



"Government is a necessary institution, the means to make the social
system of cooperation work smoothly without being disturbed by violent
acts on the part of gangsters whether of domestic or of foreign origin.
Government is not, as some people like to say, a necessary evil; it is
not an evil, but a means, the only means available to make peaceful
human coexistence possible."
--Ludwig von Mises

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