Re: Relative Appropriation of Economic Rents

On Feb 5, 2:28 pm, "Mark M." <m...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Beal wrote:

1) "Tell me again how something can be taken for oneself _from_
someone else if that someone else didn't own it in the first place?"

2) "Tell me again how something can be taken possession of, _from_
someone else if that someone else didn't own it in the first place?"

3) "Tell me again how something can be taken without consent _from_
someone else if that someone else didn't own it in the first place?"

4) "Tell me again how something can be seized _from_ someone else if
that someone else didn't own it in the first place?"

By enclosing (privatizing) common land that nobody owned but everybody was free to use.

Example: England's enclosure movement starting in the 1770's.

Mark Monson

So I took away their use, but not their land? Is that your point?
Roy already tried that. I was not addressing the claim that A took
B's rights to the land away. I was addressing the claim that A took
B's land away. Here, again, is one example of what I am responding
to:

"No, you also know it is true, because there is no way land can become
private property in the first place except by being forcibly
appropriated from all who would otherwise be at liberty to use it."

The land was forcibly appropriated from all who would otherwise use
it. It was appropriated from all who would otherwise use it. It was
appropriated from others. My issue is with the choice of words: Land
was appropriated from others. No, not "rights were appropriated from
others." Not "access was appropriated from others." "LAND WAS
APPROPRIATED FROM OTHERS." If it was appropriated, taken, stolen, or
seized from others, how in the blazes of hell and damnation is that
possible unless those others owned it before it was appropriated,
taken, stolen, or seized?

Oh, just a little misuse of words? Well, you Georgists didn't really
mean that the land was appropriated from others. The Georgists just
miswrote that part? You really meant that the rights to the land were
appropriated from others?

Uh uh. Not good enough. You wrote it that way for a reason: because
despite all of your attempts to avoid being compared with a socialist
or a communist, you damn well obviously believe in communal land
ownership. The community rightfully owns the land, in your own damn
opinion, as evidence by your own damn words and supported by
everything you advocate. If you want to push for the government to be
the monopoly land owner, charging all of the rent for all of the land,
and allegedly performing this function with the best interests of
society in mind, fine. Advocate that. But don't think you can
pretend you don't believe in communal ownership.

And Roy accuses me of equivocation...

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