Re: Making less than dad did

Sgt.Sausage wrote:

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone to classify the creation of
jobs, and lucrative jobs at that, as "useless".

How long there is demand for the products of those jobs, somebody will
create them.

If the wealth is concentrated then will be one investing all the money and
grab all the profits. If the wealth is distributed, then the company will
be started in association and the profits will be distributed.

The only way to change it would be to *take* via extortion
or theft, the concentration of wealth. That would make you
nothing more than a common thug. A criminal.

Actually, the idle shareholders do just that. The wealth created by somebody
else (worker) it is taken by the guy not working to create it (thief) by
use of violence (enforcement of asset property laws).

Taxing the idle shareholders to provide a redistribution of the wealth is
therefore not theft but merely repossession of the stolen wealth.

Decency is not required in this world.

Sure, greed and violence is good. Are you a libertarian ?


A PhD does not guarantee wealth. See above. The smartest
folks ususally get the best grades. Try reading for comprehension
next time. There is, in my experience, very little correspondence
between education level and amassed wealth. Folks with higher
educations generally earn more, but as far as *large* accumulations
of wealth -- a PhD does not correlate well.

Correct, because the "skill" required to accumulate large amounts of wealth
it is hypocrisy not education, intelligence or hardwork.

Keep in mind that I am not talking here about the small business owner,
hardworking shoulder to shoulder with the employees, and having a decent
and fair relationship with them.

I am talking mainly about the unskilled billionaires, hypocrites CEOs and
others like them that never worker for a living only cheating, grabbing
wealth by lies or similar practices.

The folks who accumulate wealth are *exactly* those folks who
have the skill to accululate wealth. No more. No less. They
may be educated. They may have Phd. But they may not.

That skill it is: HYPOCRISY.

The hypocrisy to pay the valuable employees with lower wages just because
you know that despite their skills, they are not very good negotiators to
find a better paying job.

The hypocrisy to make a ridiculously low offer to a valuable guy just
because you know that he is unemployed due to recession or other issues and
is desperate to get something.

The hypocrisy lobby against decent wages, affordable health care and
retirement system and civilized social programs just because you want to
get rich by exploiting working poor.

To be able to lie, cheat and mislead others to draw business to your less
valuable service of product. The hypocrisy to patent thousands of trivial
and worthless stuff, just to build a warchest to be able to smash your
emerging competition under megatones of lawyer power if they create a
better product.

And many many many more things like this.

See -- you're making my point.

Education, intelligence -- none of it matters. All that
matters is having the skill to amass great fortunes.

That is the main skill of a "valuable businessman", this is the golden path
to wealth: HYPOCRISY !!!

Our society prosper due to the hardwork of intelligent and educated
people.

I could give 2 shits about "our society". *I* want to prosper
through *my* own initiative. I want no one to legislate prosperity
for me at the expense of someone else's opportunity to proper on
their own.

Yes, that is the businessman interest. I agree that this antisocial behavior
is the norm into the business community.

However, the interest of valuable and hardworking productive it is to live a
civilized life. So, the productive must get educated to not give 2 shits
about the businessmen and use their voting power to change the rules in
their own interest.


Society is not the business persons. I imagine thes business
folks we're discussing are much like be, and couldn't give 2
shits about your society.

Yes, this is why the majority of productive must vote in their own interest.
Not accept all the lies about "advantages of free trade" and
the "requirement to compete in wage with Chinese".

The businessmen eye their interest only at the expense of the majority of
the population. he majority MUST get together and use their big voting
power to reduce the businessmen looting spree.


If you don't have the LionSkills to survive in the LionWorld,
you die. If you don't have the FinancialSavvy to survive in
the FinancialWorld, you end up broke.

Nope. The broken hypocritical FinancialWorld must be CHANGED !!!

The purpose of the people is not to work harder for a lower lifestyle but to
live better with lower work if possible.
If a particular socio-economic system ask them to work harder/more in order
to accept a lower lifestyle then that system is broken and must be either
fixed either replaced.


Good. We're in agreement. Now go take what you make, market it.
Ramp up production to millions of units. Finance the plant and
equipment necessary for such. Staff up the HR department so you
can hire the army of salesmen to sell what you made with your
own skills. Hire the army of techs to repair and work on your
product and handle the warrantee work. Hire the in-house legal
folks to handle your distribution contracts and supply-chain
agreements. Get ya some facilities managers to procure you enough
office space for all these folks.

What? You say you can't do this all by yourself? Maybe you need
someone with some wealth to finance this?

If the wealth would be distributed, the workers will be able to set up a
employee owned business.

The fact that a third person (investor) is needed to start up a business it
is due to the fact that the wealth is concentrated, and the productive do
not have enough wealth.

In the first case, the profits would be distributed to all of them, so if
they want later they can start a new business on their own or expand the
existing one.

In the second, the profit it is taken at his will by the investor, therefore
the workers will never have the change to accumulate enough capital to
start a business. So, the investor will be needed again for a new business
or expansion of the existing.

You see, there is NOTHING that make the investor special except the fact
that he have money while the productive do not. Then, the system perpetuate
itself. If the legislation is employed to increase the share of the labor,
then we can easily migrate to a better society where a majority of
businesses are employee owned. This is the future !!!

Bank robbers are also very good at making money. The fact that we enforce
the law and jail them it is nothing else but jealousy in your right
winger mind !!!

Ummm ... no. We jail them because there are laws allowing us
to do so.

Currently there are no laws on the books making amassed wealth
a jailable offense.

Maybe some new laws are needed ???

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