Re: More freedom-hating "libertarians"

Davinchi <mulldrat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

sinister wrote:
"Peter B. P." <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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sinister <sinister@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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sinister <sinister@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

http://www.ldp.org.au/federal/policies/propertyRights.html

The LDP believes the ownership of property is a fundamental right that
precedes the power of government.
Widespread private ownership of property is also a signficantly
preferable
alternative to either collective ownership or ownership by a
privileged
elite.

The LDP supports the right of 'eminent domain' of property owners over
their
property. It believes neither the State nor other members of society
should
be able to limit or interfere with the right to enjoy property so long
as
such enjoyment does not involve coercion of others.

Specific LPD policies:

The LDP supports the right of landlords and tenants to freely
negotiate
the
terms of tenancies, free from state rules and restrictions.
snip

Sinister, i agree with you on this point, but to generalize from one
point to claim that one group of people are "freedom-hating" is spurios
and unecessary poliemical.
I'm implicitly making a _statistical_ generalization, which I claim
stands.

That doesn't detract from my admiration (if not complete agreement with)
geolibertarians and Georgists and yourself (I assume you essentially fall
into those camps).
Thank you*. However, back to the point: Does the LDP of Australia
mention anything about land value taxation?

Not on that page, but I think a reasonable inference given what they wrote
in the linked text would imply they're against LVT. Certainly, they appear
to have no understanding that there's no natural right to use landed
property in any way the "owner" sees fit, given that the owner cannot
naturally, rightfully exclude others from the property.

*) Since I am in favor of a morderate to large LVT, I think that I fall
into the G-ist camp.

--
regards , Peter B. P.
http://titancity.com/blog , http://macplanet.dk

"We don't dial 911 - we dial .357".


I just have to chime in.
It's not that Libertarians are freedom hating per se. It
just seems that way when encountering modern society where
there are rules to promote and maintain a civil society.
Hence, they don't abide by any regulation in support of the
commons or agree to any idea of public goods. In modern
times, Libertarians are not free market promoters, but free
rider opportunist.

Onl in regards to land. In regards to goods, labor and capital, they are
indeed free market advocates.

I've seen it so many times it hurts, but
they simply won't agree to anything that limit their choice
even when they demand equal access to the commons and
benefit from societies organization and infrastructure.
Look at a libertarian, and I'll bet you odds you will find
most of the characteristics of Narcissistic Personality
Disorder - a sociopathic mental illness.

Honestly, such pocket psychology is not conductive to a civilized
debate, but more reminds me of the state of affairs in the former USSR
where political dissidents were declared mentally insane, and locked up
in mental institutions.


--
regards , Peter B. P.
http://titancity.com/blog , http://macplanet.dk

"We don't dial 911 - we dial .357".
.

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