Re: [OT:] Re: War on humanity

From: YD (yd.techHAT_at_techie.com)
Date: 06/10/04 

Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:35:58 -0300

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 01:43:25 GMT, "Rich Grise" <null@example.net>
wrote:

>"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
>news:40C36FAA.3C93@armory.com...
>> YD wrote:
>> > Isn't it possible that you are
>> > the deluded one but are so stuck with it you refuse to see it as a
>> > delusion?
>> ----------------------
>> No. This stuff is like mathematics, the process checks its work
>> backwards. You just don't even bother with the math and instead
>> you assert an answer merely because it pleases you. I'm bound by
>> the rules of logic and mathematics.
>
>This is a self-imposed limitation, and you're deluded if you
>believe otherwise.

Life is multi-valued and multi-faceted. What's good for you may not be
all that good for me, but I don't mind as long as it's not imposed on
me. Problem is, this loon wants to impose his views on everybody. As
for his logic and math all I've seen of it this far is a rather
idealized description of tribal life about a million years ago.

I'd really hate a life ruled solely by logic and math, central
planning and five-year-plans may have their points but can be taken
too far. Like some bureaucrat decides there'll be a need for two
thousand sociologists or something in a few years time so turn up the
funding for humanities and sluice the good students that way whether
they want it or not. The end result will of course be at best half
competent professionals.

Real life in a real society with real people interacting has a bit of
chaos theory built into it, even if mostly predictable sometimes a
spanner gets thrown in the works. Like you have an appointment and hop
into the car to get over there. Somewhere along the line some idiot
runs a red light and has a crash. So traffic jams up and you miss the
deadline. Walk into a bar to sooth your nerves and grumble about it to
the guy next to you. Turns out he's in the same line of business and
offers you an even better deal than the one you missed out on.
 
>
>> You have been offered the
>> chance to argue logically numerous times and obviously declined,
>> for no one has seen you offer logical syllogism to be examined.
>
>The reason he offers no logical argument is that there is nothing
>logical to argue with.
>

Right on!

>> You refuse to do so because you sense a "trap" in your heart of
>> hearts, down at the level where you KNOW that you're actually
>> wrong!
>
>This is just plain not factual, and does, in fact, sound a lot
>like you're doing exactly what your opponent is doing. There's a
>lot of this going around, so you're not unique.
>

Heh, this far he's managed to dodge all questioning with a diatribe or
ad hominem. Just like JSD, you ask him the time and he'll tell you the
weather's fine tending to cloudy. Hmm, I wonder. Shouting "I'm right
and everybody else is wrong" a million times, does that make me right?

>>
>> > Would you really admit in your heart of hearts that you're
>> > wrong?
>> ----------------------
>> I learned that I was, long ago, and I resolved never to be so again.
>> I resolved that I would permit and admit self-change where my state
>> was shown to be the poorer argument. You won't find that now.
>
>Well, you're convinced!
>
>So, lessee if we can wrap up:
>You don't believe in free will
>You believe you are the only one who knows how to properly run a
>planet, and therefore
>You believe that people should all behave in accordance with your
>wishes, whether it makes any sense or not.
>
>Is that pretty much it?
>
>Thanks,
>Rich
>

I wonder where he gets the energy to keep it up. Probably has nothing
else to do all day long.

- YD. 

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