Re: [OT:] Re: War on humanity

From: YD (yd.techHAT_at_techie.com)
Date: 06/12/04 

Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:12:13 -0300

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:47:45 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

>YD wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 01:43:25 GMT, "Rich Grise" <null@example.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
>> >news:40C36FAA.3C93@armory.com...
>> >> YD wrote:
>> >> > Isn't it possible that you are
>> >> > the deluded one but are so stuck with it you refuse to see it as a
>> >> > delusion?
>> >> ----------------------
>> >> No. This stuff is like mathematics, the process checks its work
>> >> backwards. You just don't even bother with the math and instead
>> >> you assert an answer merely because it pleases you. I'm bound by
>> >> the rules of logic and mathematics.
>> >
>> >This is a self-imposed limitation, and you're deluded if you
>> >believe otherwise.
>>
>> Life is multi-valued and multi-faceted. What's good for you may
>> not be all that good for me,
>--------------------
>Nonsense, if people knew for themsselves what that was, then people
>would all make themselves happy and just shut up.

So who's going to tell them what's good for them? Hey, the best for
you would be to throw away that computer and go live in the woods.

>
>
>> but I don't mind as long as it's not imposed on me.
>---------------
>Even if you LIKED it?

If I did would I feel it's imposed? You really have a hard time
getting into the spirit of things.

>
>
>> Problem is, this loon wants to impose his views on everybody. As
>> for his logic and math all I've seen of it this far is a rather
>> idealized description of tribal life about a million years ago.
>-----------------------------
>Nope, it bear<*SLAM*>

So far you haen't said *anything* of value. At most I fear being bored
to death.

>
>
>> I'd really hate a life ruled solely by logic and math, central
>> planning and five-year-plans may have their points but can be taken
>> too far.
>-----------------------------
>Naw, you'd love it, planning isn't "central", you go to a meeting
>in a parking lot once or twice a month, later on it will be on the
>computer/TV and you discuss your needs in groups and vote. You don't
>just give some vague handwaving order to your grocer and hope for
>the best, you tell them what you want! The math isn't at the level
>of anyone's math-phobia.
>

Sounds even worse than some zentral komittee shuffling red tape
around, I'm sure everyone would hate it. How is that going to solve
anything without getting bogged down in shouting matches and pissing
contests? All it's going to lead to is a lot of undercover lobbying
and horse trading. Somewhere in a corner bar not far away: "Hey, you
vote for my project and I'll help you with that idea of yours."

As for groceries, I do my own shopping and get exactly what I want.
Ecxept for totting it up at the register, no math in that.

>
>> Like some bureaucrat decides there'll be a need for two
>> thousand sociologists or something in a few years time so turn up the
>> funding for humanities and sluice the good students that way whether
>> they want it or not.
>----------------------------
>There are NO "bureaucrats". You vote, and secretaries are empowered
>to go get what you told them to, order what you said, and do what
>the vote was, or they get their ass roasted two weeks later. As for
>sociologists, we train people in a few subjects they like and employ
>them according to the current need as expressed by your votes.
>It's more like a prolonged scavenger hunt meeting.

Ho-hum. Tell us a bit more of the mechanics of that. Sounds like a
right pretty bureaucracy to me.

>
>
>> The end result will of course be at best half
>> competent professionals.
>------------------------------
>So are you under some delusion that we get what we actually need NOW,
>leaving it to a few ignorant rich people and counting on them and their
>greed, and they don't care about US at ALL, to magically come up with
>a knowledge of what every speciality does, AND what WE say needs to be
>done for us??????? Nonsense!! ANY Majority Democracy has GOT to be
>better than a bunch of accidentally in-charge rich assholes with no
>interest in YOUR NEEDS!!

Hey, if wanted to be rich I'd have studied to become a lawyer. I'm
poorer but a lot more content doing something I actually enjoy, like
electronics. Not that I actually disagree with the bit about rich
assholes, but that's life.

>
>
>> Real life in a real society with real people interacting has a bit of
>> chaos theory built into it, even if mostly predictable sometimes a
>> spanner gets thrown in the works. Like you have an appointment and hop
>> into the car to get over there. Somewhere along the line some idiot
>> runs a red light and has a crash. So traffic jams up and you miss the
>> deadline. Walk into a bar to sooth your nerves and grumble about it to
>> the guy next to you. Turns out he's in the same line of business and
>> offers you an even better deal than the one you missed out on.
>-----------------------------------
>Why not just use Google? Things don't have to be random and accidental

But they are, and I like it that way.

>anymore, we can POST what we need, and what we have, and the People's

Like e-bay on steroids?

>data gatherers can report and we can decide to pay the labor cost and
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\
                \ some kind of bureaurats?

>move it to where it is wanted.

Move what? Can't recall mentioning pianos or anything.

>THEN you can walk into a bar and JUST
>HAVE A DRINK!

How utterly boring.

> Whatever. You know, don't you, you don't make this
>society out to be more than a stupid crapshoot! We can do LOTS better
>quite easily!
>

Read it again stupid. You *really* have a comprehension skill problem.
The story was just an example that life can be rather random and
chancy even with our best effort to order it. I have got some business
over the net but I really enjoy it when a client references me to some
friend who mentions it to an acquintance(sp) who calls me up wondering
if I'd know how to fix that muddy sounding guitar of his. Or
something, don't take it too literally.

Hey, I *like* life a bit of a crapshoot. By what you just described
we'd all end up regimented and lined up for the enjoyment of some high
muckety-muck.

- YD. 

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