Re: Use of Extension Cord

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:57:24 -0000, John Fields <jfields@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:44:16 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <no@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:18:05 -0000, John Fields <jfields@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:48:30 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <no@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Glutton for punishment? 

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Sure... Yours.

Ain't me gettin' beat up...

Really? I'm not the one calling me a fucking wanker every 5 minutes. 

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So because you're not calling yourself a fucking wanker you're not
getting beat up? LOL, you're even stupider than I thought, and I
thought that air conditioner diatribe of yours was the icing on the
cake!   Keep it up, Hucker, and I won't have to flame you at all;
you'll be doing it yourself.


Stop your pedantic precision, you just look silly.

Whether you know it or not, your "passing comments" are little
insults designed to elicit no response, but to be continuously
absorbed by the insultee for the purpose of allowing you to have
your way with them as time goes by.

"Whether I know it or not"??? If I don't know it then I can't be doing it can I?\ 

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Sure you can, you just do it subconsciously.

Why do you have a higher opinion of my subconscious than I do? 

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I don't, I just recognize it for what it is and can see it trying to
work its sneakiness, even if you can't.


You can't.  You are a wanna-be psychiatrist.

Now that I've alerted
you to it, though, you ought to be able to see it happening.  Or
not, you don't seem to be real gifted in the "insight" department.

Or I know you're talking a load of ***. 

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That's what you'd like to try to convince yourself of in order to
keep from having to look yourself in the face and come to the
realization that the load of *** is _you_!!!


Upgrade your couch.

Your limitations are not a god's.

There is no such thing as a god. What little respect I had for you has now gone. 

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Respect from a twat like you I don't need.

That's good, cause I doubt you get respect from many people. 

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If most people were like you and were sneaky liars, that might be
true.  Fortunately, it's not, and I'm happy with the respect I get
from people _I_ respect and care about.


I suppose you can find freaks like you somewhere if you look hard enough.

What's the matter? you can't understand vague?

It wasn't "vague", it was American. 

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I wrote it, I made it vague, it was vague.

You just think it was. It's your favourite word since I've been "vague". 

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Hey, ***, _you_ were the one who didn't understand it, so either
I was being vague or your mental faculties are such that you can't
understand _not_ vague.  Which is it?


Neither.  You were being American.  I only speak English.

You mean the freedom to get shot? 

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Yeah, and _to_ shoot.

That's why we're Americanos and you're not.

You mean idiots. 

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No, not at all.  We know the dangers associated with being unarmed
and have built out society around being ready for nasty surprises by
guaranteeing that we can retaliate to a threat on us with deadly
force, voluntarily.  If that wasn't true we'd probably have one of
y'all calling the shots.


Oh and when some maniac points a gun at you and you point one back, you're sure that you will win are you?  You're still living in the days of the wild west.  Try growing up a little.

Even you have to admit that there are lunatics in America. 

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"Even" I???  I'd be the _first_ to declare it, but not to _admit_
it, since having lunatics here confers no guilt on _me_.


I never said you should feel guilty for other Americans being lunatics.  Why do you keep reading things into what I say?

There are lunatics in any country.
You can't let any old Tom *** or Harry own a shotgun.


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Sure we can.  And we do.  And the lunatics know that since any old
Tom, ***, or Harry (_not_ Tom *** or Harry) can own a shotgun as
well, the chances are pretty good that they'll eventually be blown
away as well if they want to play that game.  If they don't, oh
well... they were lunatics anyway, and they won't be sorely missed
when they're gone.


But how many innocent people will they kill before they get killed themselves?

That is the section where you are wrong. You are not required to create any heat for an AC to work, you just MOVE the heat. 

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Think of it like this:

Let's say that you have a ton of water at 20C which you want to heat
to 30C and another ton of water at 20C which you want to cool to
10C.  In either case, the work done on the water will be the same,
but in order to heat it up I only have to stick a resistor in the
water and send electrical current through it.   In order to cool the
water down I have to remove the same amount of energy from the water
that I used to heat the other ton of water, but I don't have a magic
resistor which cools down and absorbs heat when I run current
through it.

What I _do_ have is a system which can remove the energy from the
water and cool it down, but only at the expense of having to use
more energy to cool the water than it took to heat it.

Look at it another way:

How efficient is a heater?  100%.  That is, it turns _all_ of the
energy put into it into heat.

If an A/C system is, then, less than 100% efficient, (and we all
know it is) it's less efficient than a heater.  Case closed unless
you wanna *** around some more with your jive-ass bull***.


You're not understanding AC at all here.  If (using arbitrary figures) you need to put in 1 kWh of energy into some water to heat it up, you also need to MOVE 1 kWh of energy out of the water to cool it back down.  BUT, the energy used from the mains supply can be more OR less than the amount of heat moved, depending on how efficient the AC is.  You are NOT creating that 1 kWh that is moving.  You are taking it from the water and putting it outside, the energy consumed from the electricity supply is for the heat pump ONLY.  In fact if you look at the SEER figures, you'll find that less than 1 kWh of electricity is required to move 1 kWh out of the water.  You haven't created energy out of nothing.  You've moved 1 kWh from the water to the air, and moved say 0.5 kWh from the electricity supply to the air.  So it costs you half as much to cool the water as to heat it.

Then you're looking up big words on wikipedia to sound good. 

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Your lack of a vocabulary puts no limitations on me.


Your extra vocabulary mkes you look like a smartarse.

And we shouldn't?

You have little to complain about. 

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From your point of view, perhaps, but being the
less-than-industrious, lazy, badly educated person you profess to be
makes what I've worked hard to accomplish unimportant to you.

What has this to do with the price of gas? 

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Nothing, but as usual you miss the point, which was that we have
every right to complain _about_ the price of gas if it seems
excessive to us.  You poor dinks paying $20 a gallon are in even
worse shape than we are,  so it's really lucky for you that
everything there is so close.


The Americans complain more than we do about something which is less expensive.  Don't you have something better to do with your lives?  Moaning at a politician won't achieve much, they'll just carry on doing what they're doing.  Sure you can vote the bastards out, but there aren't that many choices so you'll never get a decent lot in.

We have Medicare and Medicaid, and we have Social Security.  We can
also buy medical insurance if we're so inclined.  I do.  Can't you?


I don't, I rely on the NHS, it's good enough for me.

My point was what are these emergencies if you have medical insurance? 

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Who knows?

I might have to fly my Lear Jet up to Nova Scotia to see the total
eclipse of the sun, or get on the road to Mandalay, where the flying
fishes play, or... who knows???


ROFL!  Or rush to the shops cause your clothes don't match.  [rolls eyes]

Do you mean the car is "write-off"?

If you insist. There is nothing else I could have meant so your moan is moot. 

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Hardly a moan, I was merely inquiring because you've professed an
affinity for vagueness and I was trying to determine whether you had
an alternate meaning in mind or whether it was just a nerror.


You were complaining about my incorrect grammar.  Fair enough if I said something ambiguous, but that could not have been taken any other way.  By the way that pun sucked.

The next few months??? Try "the next few lifetimes".

Really? How long do you think it takes to pay of £500? 

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Depends on the interest rate and your monthly payment.


My average interest rate is about 6%.  Monthly payments are whatever I can afford.

If you have
to do debt financing behind a credit card and pay it back over an
extended period of time then you're in such deep *** you'll
probably never be able to stop treading water just to keep from
drowning.

Funny, I have several credit cards, ranging from 2.9% to 6.9% interest. 

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Monthly, on the unpaid balance?


No, the % value is yearly, but charged each month.

I don't remember telling you I think the electricity board are arseholes. 

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Are they not part of the government?

Nope. Thatcher dissolved that malarky. Now we have competition. 

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Sure you do.

ISTR that in another post you said that all your power comes from
the same place, and that you have the choice of billing agents for
what you use.

Sounds to me like one whore with a lot of pimps. 

After reading some bumph from my new electricity company, it seems we have more competition than I thought.  I pay money to company A, company A buys electricity from companies B C and D who run coal, nuclear, hydro, etc generators, all the power goes through the same cabling which is run by company E.  I get to choose which of the 30 company As I use.  And A gets to choose companies B C and D to get me the cheapest power so I don't go to another A.

I hate to say it, but she (if you can call that thing a woman) actually did some good. 

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The dichotomy there is that you don't consider her fuckable, so you
don't want to give her credit for any good she might have done since
she offends your perception of what women should be:  Beautiful,
subservient, and shaggable by you.


Yes she's ugly as hell, but that is nothing to do with why I hate her.  It's her extreme right wing attitude.  If she had remained in power, we would probably have gone too far the other way.  She would have removed all the social security stuff for example.

Same old ***. Let the crown

You mean royalty? They're just figureheads. They eat a bit of tax and I'd love to have them all assassinated, but they aren't in power. 

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Assassinated??? Are you serious?

What use do they serve? Well maybe bringing in American tourists. 

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They're your ties to your past and all of your successes prior to
your misadventures in America, where we had to choose sides and not
only cut the umbilical cord, but fight to keep from having it be
re-attached


The past is the past, now their only use is attracting tourists.

No, I meant the Crown.  It's the attitude of subservience to
authority that's been instilled in you all for centuries that makes
you not _want_ to challenge authority.  Kind of like the Japanese.

Me, not challenge authority? That's exactly the opposite of what I'm like. 

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And yet, you won't even measure the diameter of the conductors
feeding electricity into your domicile?


I told you I couldn't be bothered.

I also told you in the last post that I'd look when it wasn't the middle of the night.

Without tampering with the electricity board's protection fuse, I can only see the outer sheath.  It's 14mm diameter (which contains live and neutral I think, as it goes into the main fuse carrier, then two wires come out to my meter then inside the house to the main distribution box).  By the way it's 100A, not 80 as I've seen in every other house.

Only two things are certain in life, death and taxes! 

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Taxes don't have to be...

I know, they can be fiddled. 

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Then why did you say they were certain?


They're certain unless you break the law :-)

No, we were talking about efficiency.  In other words, If my service
is wired with #0 AWG and yours is wired with #4, for the same load
at the receptacle your system will waste more energy than mine

But how much more? 

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It doesn't matter.  What we're arguing is whether my system is
inherently more efficient than yours.


If it's 1% more efficient, then who cares?  If it's 20% more efficient, then there's a big wastage over here, and something worth talking about.

Considering the transformer is visible from my lounge window. 

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So, since you can see it, it's more efficient?


I meant it's close by, hence a short length of wire to loose heat in.

Mine's underground, as are all of my utilities, so it runs cooler
and costs less to run.


I presume it's overground for access reasons.

How much power are you using at this precise moment? 

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To stay alive? About 100 watts


You know perfectly well what I meant.  How much electricity is coming into your house at this precise moment?

A hell of a lot more than a watt.
So what's the point in saving a watt?  Why not try saving something more?
Change a lightbulb to an energy efficient one, turn the heating down a notch, etc.
Turning off an LED on a TV set ain't gonna save the world from this so called impending doom.


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Take a look at the arable area of the earth and what it takes to
keep a human alive, (about 66 watts


You said 100 up there.

for a 2000 calorie intake) and
divide that by the number of arable acres it takes to keep one human
alive and you'll wind up with the number of humans that this planet
can support.


But we don't want to be just alive.  We want to watch telly.  We want to eat cooked food.  And so forth.

No, I didn't ask you to do that. You asked _me_ to give you that 
information and I replied that you already had enough information,
along with the power factor data I also supplied, to figure it out
for yourself,  and you can.

Well, that is, you _should_ be able to.

Just figure out what it costs to run it, full-bore, for an hour
without it shutting off.


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Idiot, I gave you line voltage, starting and running current, and
power factor.

Can't figure it out?
Figures...


Those figures are probably about 50 messages further up, I can't be bothered hunting them down.  Just get to your point.


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