This is NOT a *marketplace* group -- Read the charter

was: Bad vendor: pnjresources.com -- SPAMS Usenet

JeffM wrote:
"How NOT to Advertise on Usenet" by Joel K. Furr
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:CMU1z-5ywJ4J:shopsite.com/help/4.1/sc/lte/usenet.html+rude.to.advertise.*.*+*-*-*-*-*-*-the-word-forsale-or-marketplace-in-their-names+preserve.*.culture.of.open.discussion+reads.*.advertisement+zzz+*.most.pervasive.form.*.*.*.*-*+How-*-to-Advertise-on-Usenet+biz+hated+rude+lose-*-account

Old Mac User wrote:
Jeff...
I know this could be debated,
but notice this from the link you supplied...

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How to Advertise on Usenet

There are acceptable ways to advertise in Usenet newsgroups.

1. The on-topic notice

I don't have a dog in this fight,
but I believe that Paul's post falls under these guidelines. OMU

"On-topic" is determined by the charter of the group.
When the sci.electronics hierarchy was subdivided in 1996,
a group was set up SPECIFICALLY for commercial traffic
as to keep that SPAM out of this hierarchy.
Here is the charter for this group:
"Guide to the sci.electronics Newsgroups" by Mark Zenier
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics/msg/13651a897337a7a9?q=Charters+misc.industry.electronics.marketplace+Discussions+Advertisement-*-*+only-advertise+sci.electronics.basics-Elementary-*-*-*+zzz+the-rec-hierarchy+qq-qq+Discussion

People who have never PARTICIPATED in the group
and whose first post is this kind of crap are SPAMMERS.
When it is multi-posted, that is the smoking gun:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?filter=0&q=pnjresources.com&enc_author=Ist4lhUAAAASuxfgxjQ74fkBo_1avgSv8wtA9313h7jez0g4GW7KgA&scoring=d

The OP doesn't give a rat's ass about this group
or about Usenet in general.
To him it's just another blank space to plaster an ad.
These low-lifes are to be pointed out and avoided.

Here's the cogent passage from Mr. Furr's article:
:In the midst of the discussions on the new sidewalks
:or textbooks or product, someone walks into the room,
:interrupts everyone, then reads an advertisement for a local
restaurant.
:He or she then leaves without waiting for comment.

A good ground rule for Usenet:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.periphs.printers/browse_frm/thread/4d4600db438f6c3e/ae79735e42119cbf?q=FredFarkle+zzz+*-*-not-*-approperate-to-start-a-thread-*-*-*-*-I'm-selling-x-product

Just as the toughest guy in town doesn't have to prove it often,
people with valuable goods/services
don't have to jam ads for them in your face.

Announcements of freeware are the only exception I can think of
that I would put under the Acceptable heading
--and *restraint* is the watchword there.
I have seen posts about payware that I thought were over the line,
but because the OP was asking for interaction about its usability,
tolerance was granted by others smarter than I am.

In the sci.electronics hierarchy,
people advertise legitimately all the time.
They do it while PARTICIPATING:
When starting on-topic threads or responding to on-topic threads
they include a blurb for their goods/service in their footer.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/64a7e0e898158761?q=James-E.Thompson-P.E+zzz+Analog-Innovations-Inc
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/d14c4396effa0253?q=Joerg+zzz+analogconsultants.com
THAT is acceptable.

There are those who troll for their goods/services IN CONTEXT:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/424f16f3d09d7f54/5aa37732d675ba6a?q=zzz+SuperSpice
That is ALSO acceptable.

To paraphrase Mr. Furr:
Groups where ads are welcome are not hard to spot.
They have words in their names like
ads biz forsale marketplace.

In short, This is NOT a *marketplace* group.
Never was--and that's been true for over a decade.

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