Re: Exportability of EDA industry from North America?

From: Stuart Brorson (sdb_at_cloud9.net)
Date: 01/13/05

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    Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:30:27 -0000

    In sci.electronics.cad Chuck Harris <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
    :> gEDA (has schematic caputre, attribute management, netlisting,
    :> archiving, and other utilties useful for design):
    :> http://www.geda.seul.org/

    : The gEDA system is a very nice idea... It is truly a shame that it
    : is packaged with insufficient thought to portability.

    I'm sorry to hear that you have problems installing gEDA. It seems to
    work for many other people. I am one of the active developers.
    Accordingly, I am always interested in specific bug reports so I can
    then fix problems, and robustify the application. Therefore, can you
    please be more specific? I'd be happy to fix whatever I can if I had
    some hard information.

    Particularly relevant info:

    * Linux distro & revision level
    * Installation flavor (i.e. RedHat comes in "personal", "workstation",
       "server", and so on. SuSE comes in "personal" and "professional").

    : It wants the
    : system libraries it uses to be stuffed in non standard places inorder for
    : it to find them. It doesn't recognize that Redhat, and some of the
    : other distributions use differing names for some of the normal system
    : libraries. (GTK+ 2 comes to mind)

    If you build it from source (or use the CD) the "configure" step takes
    care of all of this -- in principle. If it isn't working for you, we
    would like to fix it. Please report: Which system libs go in
    non-standard places, what are the non-standard places, and what
    method of installation are you using? Also, what type of system do
    you use (i.e. Linux distro)?

    : If you want to install the gEDA system so it is available to all users on
    : a multiuser system, you have to give all of those users root privileges on
    : certain system directories...There is no excuse for that!

    Which system directories? And what method of installation?

    : All of the example designs are broken in such a way that they cannot find
    : the active components to put on the schematic.

    This is an interesting point. I can look into this. I don't know how
    the lib search paths are set in the examples. I believe they are
    configurable when you install from source, but if you are using a
    binary distro, then they might be hardcoded.

    : There are no examples or documents describing how the project manager is
    : supposed to work. Saying it is obvious isn't much help.

    True, certain things lack documentation. That problem is being
    worked, but ever-so-slowly. Please remember that gEDA is a volunteer
    effort, and getting engineers to document their stuff is not always
    easy. You probably know this.

    : The CDROM that was issued the other day is even worse than useless. It
    : chugs and churns, but it doesn't notice that it cannot find certain libraries,
    : and it just goes on like everything is ok. It also rebuilds and installs
    : the symbol libraries so many times I thought it was stuck in a loop.

    Again, what Linux distro & rev level are you using? The CD was tested
    on several modern Linux variants. In the CD's README are listed the
    systems which will and won't work. Did you read the README?

    : Close, but not quite ready for prime time.

    With some work, and specific info about problems, it will become ever
    more polished over time. Keep in mind that generalized kvetching is
    cheap 'n easy, but offering bug details will help everybody.

    Thank you for your detailed bug report.

    Stuart

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