Re: Protel or ORcad?

Don,
Do you always make mindless arguments and arguments on points
that coincide with peoples comments?

25 years? Yeah right, were you in diapers then Don? If you
weren't then you would know that there was no CAD 25 years ago
unless you had mainframes or PDPs handy. Protel started approx.
1990 after the split between Nick M. and the Accel people. So
approx. 15 years, not 25 years.

Yes the unlimited version is lower priced than Protel, I told you
that as well. So you can save $1000 on a $8K package while you
spend $10K or more in training and support and setup costs to
adapt and start using the package reasonably well.

You critique me for mentioning Spectra as past-tense but
almost every comment you make about Protel is past tense as well.
Find anyone making comments about DXP and 5 service packs? DXP
had 2 SPs, DXP2004 is currently on SP2 with SP3 imminent. There
has been a wide acceptance of DXP from the start, very few users
went back to P99SE and that was mostly an initial GUI/familiarity
protest because they altered so many basic operations in the
program.

Find the comments that are not just past-tense, then maybe we
can talk. That is if the complaint is not just mindless cattle
fodder because the user figured it should do things or should do
them the same way as the package that they were used to using.

Then again, if you want to discuss the subject of the thread
feel free. Otherwise I don't know where Pulsonix was invited into
the conversation before you rudely pushed your way in like a used
car salesman with off topic comparisons and exaggerations of
price savings for lesser products that very well may not have met
the original request's needs.

--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander

"Don Prescott" <DMBPrescott@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:7fb54666.0504210555.13022dc7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > As I said, compare equal product levels. Do you want to
> > compare 100 pin limit packages as well?
>
> Even if you take the unlimited pins model it's still lower
priced than
> Protel.
> >
> > If Pulsonix get it right consistently, where is their
user
> > base? I have never met one person that uses it. Never heard
of
> > any professionals even considering it, just hobbyists and one
man
> > shops through the newsgroups. Actually , just you and a
handful
> > of others, some suspect of actually being Pulsonix employees.
>
> Pulsonix is quite a new product. It was only released a few
years
> ago, so it's not surprising you haven't encountered many users.
> Protel started what, 25 years ago....? Pulsonix have quite a
large
> user-base in the US so I believe. I've spoke to several other
users.
> Nothing like the user-base of Protel I agree. I may be wrong
but I
> haven't heard of any hobbyists shelling $7K. They are usually
use the
> free versions or open source stuff.
>
> > As for the router, never seen one yet that works
> > satisfactorily for less than $10K - $20K USD ( I remember
when
> > that was $30K or greater not all too long ago). At that you
also
> > have to take a course (about $5K US) just to really learn how
to
> > operate it. But it's the same sad story with all seran
wrapped
> > routers, as I said you just can't expect much out of any of
them.
>
> You're talking past-tense here Brad. This sounds like SPECCTRA
speak.
> The Pulsonix router might not be quite on par with SPECCTRA
but it's
> pretty close.
>
> > I never said that Altium always gets it right, I gave
them an
> > honest assessment that right now they seem to be working
> > diligently to cleanup DXP. It hasn't always been the case as
I
> > suggested.
> > --
>
> There's no justifiable excuse why a multi million dollar
operation
> can't release reliable software, and a usable router. Not
guaranteed
> bug-free of course 'cos nobody can do that. As can be seen by
other
> messages, the basic rule of thumb: "don't touch any Protel
release
> until service pack 5".......! How can you defend that..?
>
> Prescott


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