Re: New query for low cost PCB CAD that *works*

Chuck Harris wrote: 
David Brown wrote:


It is a much better implementation than the ad ridden mess that netscape
became after being bought by AOL.


You should then abandon the mozilla suite, and download firefox (and thunderbird for mail, if you want to switch mail client too). The mozilla suite itself is pretty much dead-end - all its developers are concentrating on firefox. Opera is another solid choice, if you like its style.

Mozilla suite is vastly superior to the firefox/thunderbird combination.
It has a better user interface, a smaller footprint, and it has a chat
(IRC) feature, web development editors (composers), and javascript debuggers
all in one package.

Even combined with thunderbird, firefox cannot do even one half of what
mozilla suite does, and does well.  MOFO were idiots for dumping the
suite in favor of the buggy IE/OE clones firefox and thunderbird.
The sole and only reason they did it was because MS had IE and OE separate.

Mozilla suite is currently being developed as the Seamonkey project.

-Chuck

Well, I guess it's all a matter of personal opinion - and to be honest, it's a good while since I tried Seamonkey. I don't see browsing and email as related (nor chat, which I don't use, nor html editing, which I seldom do). Prior to switching to Firefox, I used Opera as my main browser - but never it's email client.

There is plenty that could be done to improve Firefox (in particular, it should be made much easier and clearer to new users how to get extensions, and there should be a hierarchy of "standard", "specialised" and "experimental" extensions to make it easier to quickly get what you need). But it is in no way an IE clone - I have recently been unfortunate enough to have to use IE, and it is not remotely as convenient and useful a browser as Firefox or Opera (ignoring little details like security...).

Seamonkey may be actively developed, but www.mozilla.org relegates it to "Other software", and www.mozilla.com fails to mention it at all. That should give a fair idea of the priorities of the Mozilla Foundation.

As for footprints - there is also the download footprint to consider, at least for Robert - Firefox is much smaller than Mozilla.

But the choice is good - Mozilla for those that want a suite, and Firefox/Thunderbird for those that don't.

mvh.,

David
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