Re: In search of a better line driver
From: Stefan Heinzmann (stefan_heinzmann_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 06/05/04
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 14:49:23 +0200
Scott Stephens wrote:
> Stefan Heinzmann wrote:
>
>> Scott Stephens wrote:
>>
>>> I hope all the money you have enabled to be extorted from the
>>> American taxpayer is eventually demanded from the consequences of
>>> your hacking.
>>
>> Can you explain what that means? How did Chris enable any money
>> extortion? What has it got to do with the American taxpayer? How can
>> you demand anything from a consequence?
>
> He works for some fed lab. Our government thinks it is OK, under the
> guise of 'promoting the general welfare' to extort money from taxpayers
> (theft), squander a little on 'research', while filching the lions'
> share to pay corporate contributors with government contracts who
> kick-back 'campaign contribution' bribes to politicians.
>
> Lawful government only acts to prevent crimes against life, property and
> freedom:
> http://www.freeaudio.org
> http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
>
> There is something known as "Opportunity Cost".
>
> The feds demand I pay them to research solar cells, windmills, and space
> stations, so 'spin-offs' will make our lives better. If the private
> sector undertook such research it would be done efficiently and
> effectively, or not at all.
>
> The market place punishes ineffectiveness. Government rewards it.
> Business must compete to give you the most value at the least profit and
> waste to stay in business. Government gives you the least value you can
> tolerate at the greatest expense, because it is a monopoly. Not only a
> monopoly for the research it extorts money for, but most aggregiously, a
> monopoly on violence to extort money by force.
Hmm, I see where you're getting at. I beg to differ, however, although
I'm not keen on discussing this here, as it is OT. Just one argument,
though. In my opinion, it is one of the most important (and often
neglected) duties of government to uphold and enforce conditions that
allow the market forces to prevail. Left alone, the market has a
tendency to drift towards cartels and monopolies. The result is
certainly not increased efficiency. Markets need rules, just like other
aspects of a community. Quite frequently, government imposed rules
/increase/ efficiency, which would not easily come about if the market
were left alone, for example by enforcing standards (mains voltages,
rail gages, radio spectrum usage, ...). So the question rather is one of
balance, not of principle.
Now, whether Chris' employer is a waste of (taxpayer's) money or not is
something I can't tell, and it isn't my tax money anyway.
>>> Sincerely, in Jesus, or your favorite deity's name,
>
>
>> What if I haven't got any favorite deity, or if it hasn't got a name?
>
>
> What is your value? If there is any meaning or value for you
> individually, perhaps it is your very own life? And by what virtues do
> you attain this value, your life? How about such values as self-esteem,
> reason and productivity?
>
> Why aren't you manufacturing crank? It is very profitable, and with
> electronics and a bit of savvy for anonymity with drop sites and pagers,
> you're not likely to get caught, even though your minions will rot in
> jail, and customers get addicted, sick and dead.
>
> Self esteem no doubt. You want to be productive, creative, because you
> love life. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here. Throughout history diverse
> cultures developed religions and the concept of *God* as a spirit, an
> ideal of creativity and life, even the means to attain the values and
> virtues through service and prayer. Perhaps the name of your god, what
> you live for, is 'creativity' or 'life'?
If your notion of god is that broad, fair enough. That's not what is
usually being associated with this word, at least in our "western"
culture. You're bound to be misunderstood that way. Such a broad
definition of a god usually comes with the notion that atheism is just
another form of religion, which brushes aside the rather fundamental
differences.
> On the other hand, perhaps you are just doing what you watched others
> do, what your father did, because you don't think or are very aware.
That's how it started. My awareness and thought developed over time.
> Perhaps God knows what is in our presidents heart. I don't know, I've
> heard too many cheap political excuses to believe any more excuses. Such
> as the "free market" excuses why Bush passes by California Samaritans,
> robbed and pushed into a gamed-commodities market ditch by his fellow
> Texan and contributor Ken Lay, CEO of Enron.
>
> George Bush admonishes us to "Love our neighbor as we want to be loved".
> Like Jesus' told him.
>
> Problem is, we are not Brother Bush's neighbors. Brother Bush's
> neighbors are all worth over $5 million, as are Comrade Kerry's neighbors.
>
> "Perfectly Legal:The Covert Campaign to Rig our Tax System to Benefit
> the Super Rich- and Cheat Everyone Else
> by David Cay Johnston
>
> http://www.perfectlylegalthebook.com/sample.htm
> http://www.booknotes.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1776 "
>
> We are peasants, forced and expected to tolerate double-standards and
> live for an aristocracy of fascists or communists.
>
> An acquaintance defended the government's policies by stating that what
> government was to me was not what it was to him. He was happy with what
> government did with his money. Kind of like saying "life is hard".
> "Tough luck". "Dog-eat-dog world".
>
> Our dear Christian president tells us to treat others as we want to be
> treated. To volunteer to serve the collective. While I am looted and
> told, "life is hard".
As he isn't my president, I am probably not qualified to comment. Given
the impact the US have on the rest of the world it nevertheless matters
to me. And I have learned to start worrying when leaders invoke
religious icons and feelings. GWB has done this in the run-up to the war
in Iraq (he even spoke of a crusade, a particularly damaging term when
you are dealing with muslims). It is sad to see the fruits of this now.
The world does not appear to me to be a safer place now. The result is a
far greater drain on the assets of the US nation IMHO than funding of
federal labs. And I mean both material and immaterial assets.
> I try not to get personal, I envy Chris Carlen. I wish the feds paid me
> to learn and build stuff, rather than having paid me to squander
> extorted taxpayer money, and console myself with not being as miserable
> as other sick and miserable people employed at the sick, miserable
> national lab I worked at.
>
> I should have just said, "Mr. Carlen, God damn your sick, mean, evil
> government employer", but a few drinks fog the mind.
If they washed down your anger the drinks were well employed ;-)
-- Cheers Stefan
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