Re: For All the Michael Moore Fans

From: xray (notreally_at_hotmail.invalid)
Date: 07/06/04 

Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:17:00 GMT

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:53:11 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@cox.net> wrote:

>I never fail to be amazed at how upset some people get at the alleged
>lies of Moore yet accept without a peep far more harmful lies put out
>by Bush and his stooges. Welcome to 1984.
>

I agree, but let's look at this.

Moore is biased. Everyone seems acknowledge that. I do too. I don't even
think his movie is really that effective, but it IS an attempt to get
people thinking. Maybe a failed attempt. I doubt if very many people
leave the theater with significantly changed perspectives.

With all the media in our lives our whole world seems to be determined
by "spin" and its success rate. So Michael Moore CAN be accued of spin
in this documentary. What, about similar issues like the lack of WMDs,
is escaping his attackers. Any skewing of information in this movie does
not come close to the world-wide propaganda blitz created by this
president and his advisers that started a war with justification that
has obviously been proven false.

A whole damn war! With death and destruction, human upheaval, grieving
families on both sides, and massive economic cost and burden on society.
And I am talking about Iraq, not Afghanistan, where we never really
tried hard to get the real terrorists.

In our recent rewrite, this war was to depose a brutal tyrant. America
wouldn't be there if that was the original story. The original story was
based on revenge and fear. Lets go kill some of those terrorist bastards
before they get us.

I walked the ground in Vietnam with a rifle in my hands. Most of the old
farts in this group will remember that period well. I came out of it
proud for my service and knowing that eventually we may have to go to
war again, but hoping we would only do that when there was a clear enemy
and a reason beyond reproach.

When the American public was being sold the story that got us into Iraq,
I kept asking myself why there was no presentation of concrete
justification. (Where's the beef? as that old TV ad said.) One night I
met a guy from Australia and he reassured me that since his government
was buying into the program, there must be something there that we, as
common folk, weren't being allowed to know that justified the idea. I
think that reassured me too much. I was looking for a reason to believe.
As it started I wanted to believe, and pretty much did believe, we were
doing the right thing.

So all this happened, and I support our troups who, like me (then), are
doing the bidding of their government whether it really makes sense or
not. So far no one has stooped to attacking the soldiers much, and I
hope that doesn't happen. A few, like the prison guards, might be in
deep trouble though, and I am sure this government could easily write
them off with the other casualties.

As for this newsgroup, why are so many engineers down on Michael Moore?
You guys are usually so logical in everything you do. The biggest and
most obvious lie (and how can you argue the WMD thing) was the one that
got this war started. Why the disjoint in attributing where the lies
are? Be reasonable. Attack the BIG liar, not the one who made this
little movie.

-Rex

P.S., I voted for Bush thinking he might be good for the economy. We all
make mistakes. I admit this one.

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