Re: For All the Michael Moore Fans

From: AZGuy (jimnazSPAMOUT_at_cox.net)
Date: 07/09/04 

Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 22:19:50 -0700

I've kept my eye on our gvt since the Vietnam war days and I don't
believe there has every been a time when they tell us the truth about
these significant issues. It is simply SOP for "our" gvt to lie to
us.

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:17:00 GMT, xray <notreally@hotmail.invalid>
wrote:

>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:53:11 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>I never fail to be amazed at how upset some people get at the alleged
>>lies of Moore yet accept without a peep far more harmful lies put out
>>by Bush and his stooges. Welcome to 1984.
>>
>
>I agree, but let's look at this.
>
>Moore is biased. Everyone seems acknowledge that. I do too. I don't even
>think his movie is really that effective, but it IS an attempt to get
>people thinking. Maybe a failed attempt. I doubt if very many people
>leave the theater with significantly changed perspectives.
>
>With all the media in our lives our whole world seems to be determined
>by "spin" and its success rate. So Michael Moore CAN be accued of spin
>in this documentary. What, about similar issues like the lack of WMDs,
>is escaping his attackers. Any skewing of information in this movie does
>not come close to the world-wide propaganda blitz created by this
>president and his advisers that started a war with justification that
>has obviously been proven false.
>
>A whole damn war! With death and destruction, human upheaval, grieving
>families on both sides, and massive economic cost and burden on society.
>And I am talking about Iraq, not Afghanistan, where we never really
>tried hard to get the real terrorists.
>
>In our recent rewrite, this war was to depose a brutal tyrant. America
>wouldn't be there if that was the original story. The original story was
>based on revenge and fear. Lets go kill some of those terrorist bastards
>before they get us.
>
>I walked the ground in Vietnam with a rifle in my hands. Most of the old
>farts in this group will remember that period well. I came out of it
>proud for my service and knowing that eventually we may have to go to
>war again, but hoping we would only do that when there was a clear enemy
>and a reason beyond reproach.
>
>When the American public was being sold the story that got us into Iraq,
>I kept asking myself why there was no presentation of concrete
>justification. (Where's the beef? as that old TV ad said.) One night I
>met a guy from Australia and he reassured me that since his government
>was buying into the program, there must be something there that we, as
>common folk, weren't being allowed to know that justified the idea. I
>think that reassured me too much. I was looking for a reason to believe.
>As it started I wanted to believe, and pretty much did believe, we were
>doing the right thing.
>
>So all this happened, and I support our troups who, like me (then), are
>doing the bidding of their government whether it really makes sense or
>not. So far no one has stooped to attacking the soldiers much, and I
>hope that doesn't happen. A few, like the prison guards, might be in
>deep trouble though, and I am sure this government could easily write
>them off with the other casualties.
>
>As for this newsgroup, why are so many engineers down on Michael Moore?
>You guys are usually so logical in everything you do. The biggest and
>most obvious lie (and how can you argue the WMD thing) was the one that
>got this war started. Why the disjoint in attributing where the lies
>are? Be reasonable. Attack the BIG liar, not the one who made this
>little movie.
>
>-Rex
>
>P.S., I voted for Bush thinking he might be good for the economy. We all
>make mistakes. I admit this one. 

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"What, sir, is the use of militia?  It is to prevent the
establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.  . .
Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of
the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order
to raise a standing army upon its ruins."  -- Debate, U.S.  House
of Representatives, August 17, 1789