Re: Fifty-six Deceits in Fahrenheit 911

From: John S. Dyson (toor_at_iquest.net)
Date: 07/18/04 

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:33:25 +0000 (UTC)

In article <CgyKc.9723$gt1.2787@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
        Rich Grise <null@example.net> writes:
> John S. Dyson wrote:
>
>> In article <40f96d67.77178717@news.xs4all.nl>,
>> wouter@voti.nl (Wouter van Ooijen (www.voti.nl)) writes:
>>>>Geez, if you want to talk religion, look at what the current
>>>>administration is doing to the country, and more than half
>>>>of the whole population is letting them get away with it!
>>>
>>> Wasn't is just below half of the population?
>>>
>> Actually, the 'popularity' of the liberation of Iraq tends towards
>> greater than 1/2 of the population (depending upon how the questions
>> are asked.) There are some polls that imply that the popularity has
>> dropped, but that isn't really consistent. If you are speaking of the
>> coup attempt against the
>> consititution by the Gore team -- it is important to remember that
>> the election of the president is done by the electoral college (and
>> it is interesting to note that the losers have not seriously endeavored
>> to change the system.) (The US Supreme court MOSTLY just bounced the
>> unprecedented and essentially illegal meddling of the Florida Supremes
>> back to the Florida court. The biggest mistake by the US supreme
>> court was to imply the laws of physics -- effectively running out of
>> time, along with the FACT that federal law doesn't allow for modification
>> of precedent DURING THE ELECTION PROCESS.)
>>
>> John
>
> In case you'd care to check, a majority (5 at last count) of the
> Supreme Court are in the pocket of the right-wing hark-line Constitution-
> rapers, i.e., minions of Satan.
>
Note that there are absolutely NO GOPers on the Florida Supreme Court
who had violated federal precedent and the consitution. An interesting
item of note is that even the chief justice of the Florida Supreme Court
had made note of his own embarassment about the Florida court's totally
political (AFAIR, there was an implication of incompetency) ruling.

A problem with the US Supreme Court rejection of the essentially illegal
(in the sense of Federal law) Florida Supreme court ruling is that the
US Supreme Court had to deal with the messed up rulings from the Florida
Supreme court (and the messed up/precedence violating involvement of
the Florida courts into the election process.) More clearly: the
US Supreme Court had to dirty its hands with the messy (and totally
political screwup) of the Florida Supreme Court.

The US supreme court really did screw up, in that it mistakenly
(probably resulting from disgust) had applied the laws of physics
to the precedent and federal law that is applicable to the election
situation. The laws of physics that were applied did include the
fact that precedent had specified that time had run out, and that
the US Supreme Court rightfully (from a practical sense) had asserted
that time had run out. Wrongfully, in a legal sense, the US Supreme
Court had asserted that time had run out (even though it practically
had run out.) This technicality is often the very desperate basis
of complaining about the 'activism' of the US Supremes resulting from
the application of the laws of physics. If the US Supremes had not
made the assertion, then they would have eventually had to ejudicate
YET ANOTHER violation of precedent.

All in all, this problem for the US Supremes would not have happened, if
the Florida courts had not violated precedent. It is a very clear violation
where the courts start involving themselves in the election process, and
does worsen the screwy mess (without really resolving the problems.) The
temptation for the Florida courts to violate precedent is obvious, but
they should have been able to avoid their 100% political bias in the
Florida Supreme Court.

If you look at the net effect of the courts being involved in trying to
ejudicate the elections, you'll realize that the controversy was continued
because the courts have NO INVOLVEMENT in the election process (well,
except for fraud or other situations of illegality.) The election
process in Florida is a matter for the legislature and their delegated
authority in the executive branch. By violating the precedent, then
FEDERAL LAW is violated.

John

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