Re: Fifty-six Deceits in Fahrenheit 911

From: Product developer (jdurban_at_vorel.com)
Date: 08/13/04 

Date: 13 Aug 2004 13:51:15 -0700

kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote in message news:<cfikms$o56$1@blue.rahul.net>...
> In article <118afaeb.0408122051.d78ed8a@posting.google.com>,
> Product developer <jdurban@vorel.com> wrote:
> >kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote in message
> >news:<cfg1qg$jpe$1@blue.rahul.net>...
> >> In article <118afaeb.0408112233.10ed98f0@posting.google.com>,
> >> Product developer <jdurban@vorel.com> wrote:
> >> >kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote in message
> >> >news:<cfdk2k$gvs$1@blue.rahul.net>...
> >> [...]
> [...]
> >> It is a survey of news people. Previous arguments included the claim that
> >> they were distoring the facts. This survey asked them if they were liberal
> >> or conservative and then assumed that on this question they had not
> >> distorted the facts.
> >
> >As liberals they slant and often editorialize. Clear as day.
>
> So you agree that they distort the truth and yet you still take them at
> their word when they claim to be liberals.
>
> This sort of selective belief is the way that many a science experment
> gets botched leading to totally wrong results. If you only believe the
> values that agree with your theory, you always end up with data that
> supports your theory. It is sloppy science and sloppy politics.

You make no sense. They are self admitted libs and represent the news
from that self admitted perspective. I fail to see the discrepancy.
>
>
>
> >>
> >> Ok I will try to do it in smaller steps.
> >>
> >> (1)
> >> The claim was made that FOX NEWS became popular because all of the rest of
> >> the news has a left bias.
> >
> > Agreed.
> >>
> >> (2)
> >> The claim, of cause, is presented without any supporting argument other
> >> than an implied seeking of a different option by the views.
> >
> >Definately.
> >>
> >> (3)
> >> In order for the implied seeking of a different option to be used in the
> >> argument, there must be evidence that the tendancy to seek something
> >> different, in the media, exists in the population.
> >
> >I think the numbers speak for themselves. If consumers switch from one
> >source of news over another it is the same as switching from one
> >commodity to another.
> >It's called choice. There wasn't one until FOX and talk radio came
> >about.
>
> You claim this without proof but to avoid distraction I will not try to
> disprove this point.

You can't disprove it. There is only so much market to share and the
market is moving away from the old media to the new media including
FOX, talk radio, and the the internet (Drudge)
>
>
> >>
> >> (4)
> >> An obvious example of an existing bias in the media is the bias towards
> >> good looking people. (You don't see many stump ugly actors)
> >
> >I fail to see the surprize here. Unlike the unreal, unnatural world of
> >liberal thought, people would rather see attractive, positive,
> >youthful people deliver their news, entertainment, and meals in a
> >restuarant. You won't see fat people in a McDonalds commercial for
> >obvious reasons.
>
> There was no surprise intended. I'm trying to break the logic down into
> steps small enough for a Limbaugh fan to follow.

Thanks for following the liberal play book in calling me a limbaugh
fan in order to demonize or diminish my position. When libs lose the
argument they always resort to the same template.
>
> >> (5)
> >> Examine the evidence to see if there is a trend in the population towards
> >> ugly actors.
> >
> >Whoopie Goldberg
>
> It interesting that you bring her up. She is almost a counter example.
>
> >>
> >> (6)
> >> Brad Pitt is the latest, I could think of, actor to join the ranks of the
> >> popular.
> >
> >Are you among the unattractive? This obsession with Brad Pitt is
> >interesting.
>
> I introduced the name because it was the first that came to mind. If I
> changed examples it would confuse a Limbaugh fan so I don't.

Another cheap shot when intellect fails. I am a fan of information and
get it from all sides. I just tend to favor logic.
>
> >>
> >> (7)
> >> Brad Pitt is certainly above average in his looks.
> >
> [.. several off topic comments snipped ..]
>
> >> (8)
> >> There is no trend towards ugly actors. If anything the trend is towards
> >> ever better looking actors.
> >
> >Bravo. You go to the head of the class.
>
> So the baby steps worked so far.

No. They still make no sense.
>
> >>
> >> (9)
> >> Therefor there is no evidence that the population seeks something
> >> different. If anything there is a tendancy towards seeking a more extreme
> >> example of what they already have.
> >
> >Agreed.
>
> Good so we are still on track
>
> [...]
>
> >>
> >> (10)
> >> The evidence indicates the FOX is not popular because of some left bias in
> >> the media. Instead it is more likely that it is popular because of a
> >> pre-existing right wing bias in the media.
> >
> >Was this a dormant bias?
>
> Go back and read through all the steps again. You will see that you have
> agreed with all the steps needed to show that it is more likely that there
> was a pre-existing rightwing bias in the media.
>
>
>
> [...]
>
> Now that we have proven that there was a right wing bias in the media now
> we can switch to the subject of Rush Limbaugh.
>
> >I have seen this trend to demonize Limbaugh by the left more and more
>
> Limbaugh has changed over the years. His show used to be funny. It no
> longer is. It is therefor reasonable that the left reacts differently to
> him now.

The left tried to silence him from day one. The left always attacks
their enemies with legislation and lawsuits. The party of choice is
the last to permit choice.
>
> BTW: I was a Rush fan back when he was funny. I stopped listening to him
> at about the same time, I think, as he started doing heavy drugs.

He is just one of the voices out there. The guy who started it all is
George Putnam from KRLA in L.A. originally KIEV. He has been at it
since the 50's and in his late 80's now is still sharp. I listen to
everyone I can but the lefties just sound bitter and defeated. I like
positive constructive commentary with a bite. Not this politically
correct soft cell that never accurately addresses real issues like
rampant illegal immigration that is bankrupting California, Arizona,
and New Mexico.
>
>
> >but never any evidence to support that he is untruthful.
>
> If you've never seen any evidence, you've been looking with your eyes
> closed.
>
> >> Do you watch TV news? It was the "TV news" programs I was refering to
> >
> >Sorry I thought "Survivor" was a dopey pop culture show. In retrospect
> >the show's title best describes network news.
>
> Baby steps time again:
>
> I am refering to programs called "News" on network TV.
>
> On these "News" shows they have things they call "reports" or "stories".
>
> These "reports" or "stories" are often about what is happening on the
> Survivor TV series.
>
>
> --

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