Re: [OT]: The not-so-democratic Democrats

From: Fred Bloggs (nospam_at_nospam.com)
Date: 09/28/04 

Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 03:21:47 GMT

John Woodgate wrote:
> I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
> wrote (in <4157F6F7.1070406@nospam.com>) about '[OT]: The not-so-
> democratic Democrats', on Mon, 27 Sep 2004:
>
>
>>Oh sheesh- they have 100's thousands of former elite troops who have
>>been thoroughly indoctrinated since a very young age.
>
>
> But they are not the *majority* of Iraquis.

Well- they weren't the *majority* under the Hussein regime either. The
people I have in mind tend to be very undemocratic in dealing with
dissenters.

>
>
>>How many
>>terrorists does it take to paralyze a nation?
>
>
> It seems to be accepted that most of the terrorists are not Iraquis.

The US DoD statistics, leaked to the press, are that the majority to
date are Iraqis

> But
> the answer is 'a lot'. Israel is not, and the north of Ireland was not,
> 'paralysed'.

There are several reasons for Israel remaining functional such as
extremely tight borders, populace armed to the teeth, very heavy
military and security presence literally everywhere, high security
procedures and security consciousness followed with strict discipline
24/7. I don't know what the situation is in Ireland.
In Iraq, the insurgents have in fact succeeded in: slowing the
reconstruction to a snail's pace by terrorizing the war profiteer
foreign contractors and forcing them to flee, sabotaging expensive
infrastructure such as the pipeline which causes funding problems for
the US, assassinating quite a few government officials so that the ones
who remain cannot establish a local presence, infiltrating nearly every
bit of Iraqi security so as to impair their effectiveness and gather
intelligence on US operations for purposes of defeating their security
measures- enabling such feats as destroying the UN compound early on-
forcing that organization to move out and not since return, increasing
awareness of US tactical standard operating procedures so as to increase
the lethality of ambushes, denying free movement of US military in large
areas of the country, etc.

>
>
>>And as per usual military
>>training, they have the ability to recruit, inspire, and motivate new
>>troops/followers. Bush was warned about this and advised to give these
>>people a part in the government from the start.
>
>
> The US also has a very large number of military people. Do they have a
> presence in government to keep them from destroying their country?

If a foreign invader moved in overnight and began attempting to crush
any resistance under the boot, the embedded resistance here would make
Iraq look like a girl scout camp. The quislings would be assassinated
and collaborators executed. The country would be reduced to ash and
rubble before they could get their hands on it. And absolutely zero
chance of any foreign sponsored American security force going anywhere-
except to the grave.

> The
> former Iraqui servicemen might be happier if someone go around to paying
> them any back pay that's owing. AFAIK, that still hasn't been done.

It looks like the dissatisfaction at present runs much deeper than a
backpay issue.

>
> It would be a big mistake to assume that the socio-political wants and
> needs of the average Iraqui are essentially different from those of the
> average American.

I identify that statement as being precisely the one mis-assumption most
responsible for creating the quagmire that exists there today.

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