Re: OT: US BLEW IT IN IRAQ- Wall Street Journal Reporter Finds

From: Product developer (jdurban_at_vorel.com)
Date: 10/13/04 

Date: 13 Oct 2004 07:20:15 -0700

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<416C8610.4060805@nospam.com>...
> Product developer wrote:
> >> > Your suggestion of telling one poster "to just put a timer on his pump
> >> > for measuring oil level" was an indication of your engineering
> >> > prowess.
> >>
> >> Actually it is. The oil nozzle is a constant flow regulator rated in GPH
> >> with better than 5% accuracy:-) If you had overcome your attention
> >> deficit disorder in grade school, you might have learned that
> >> Gallons=GPH x Hours- but that is hoping too much...
> >
> > That will almost qualify you for a counter job at Radio Shack.
>
> You couldn't even hack that much- so what are you talking?
>
> >
> > The tank is outdoors with a WC temperature range of -25 to 40 C. Have
> > you ever tried to measure the flow rate of oil before? The only way to
> > this right is to use ultrasonics, microwave, or air pressurization
> > that is used in tanks under way such as those used in vessels where I
> > have two designs.
>
> Where did you read that? The OP says:
>
> "Any good links or tip on diy radar construction?
>
> I'm mostly looking into measuring oil level in a tank of glasfiber. By
> attaching such unit on the top."

I realize that you don't read what you usually just cut and paste and
in this case you make a complete ass of yourself again because you
failed to read the post so I will paste it here for you.

Post No. 1

Any good links or tip on diy radar construction?

I'm mostly looking into measuring oil level in a tank of glasfiber. By
attaching such unit on the top.

Post No. 2

Any ideas what these costs roughly?
Or what an app with the chip mentioned later in this thread would end
up? :)

The tank is approx 1.5 diameter circular. And maybe some meters
length. But
the important is the 1.5 length as the rest is simple trigonometry.
The outdoor
temperatures here are usually -10 to 30 celsius. And -25 to 40 on the
extreme.
"medium" humidity. The tank is approx .5 meters underground. So that
stabelizes
conditions further. I wonder wheather penetration of glassfibre will
succed
with precision not affected to much. Centimeter precision is enough.
As for EM interference, I don't think that's an issue because it will
likely
need way less power than a 802.11b wlan device and be underground in
soil that
is full with water.

I've thought a simple way to do it would be to cause some slight RFI
noise by
a high dI/dt generation through a squarewave pulse possible reduced
through a
capacitor or coil. And then have a capacitor wich is charged between
the
positive flank of transmission. And the change of input. The charge
should
be in relation to the timedelay (distance). And measured through
voltage over
it with a ADC.

   -----\ (mindstorm schematic :)
         |
 Pulse--Mosfet
         | /
      Resistor /
         |___________ RF-out
         |
      Capacitor \
         | \
   ------/

And then something to receive it.
           
       | /
       | /
    Mosfet------ RF-in
       | \
       | \

Haven't figured howto put them together really yet ;)

Any logic chips would be way to slow, althought I know scsi-sync and
scsi-ultra160 uses the cable as a fifo :), so maybe it's feasable (5
ns/m).

>
>
>
> >
> > I have considerable experience in oil exploration, recovery, and pump
> > design. In fact I designed the first self counter-balancing rod string
> > pump back in 1980 that shuttled a weight stack back and forth on the
> > walking beam to compensate for down hole dynamic load change due to
> > temperature, wax, and mud to crude mix ratio changes. I had to fly
> > into Abilene Texas every week for a damn year but it bought my first
> > 911 that summer. Hell, I still get dividend checks from that old
> > design.
>
> Unbelievable- you sound like a typical hack who has to slug it out with
> exhausting trial and error until the shortfall in performance is no
> longer obvious to your customer. You're a typical p.o.s. IOW.

I realize that in your world, a very small world, you don't do beta
testing. You probably break out the cookbook and protoboard and hack
until you get something that doesn't smoke. Real engineering companies
first design a solution then go into the field and do beta testing.
Based on the results you go back and tweak the design accordingly.
Then you go through regulatory compliance testing then production.

Simulation and Enviromental Chambers only get you so far.

We have dozens of designs on the market and at least a third had to be
beta tested. When you are a true engineer and do something for the
first time you have to do in field tests in the real world. You would
know this if you weren't just a circus side show here in this NG.

Our shopping cart containment system, which I hold four patents on,
had to be beta tested for 6 months from L.A to Boston to New Mexico.
Unfortunately right in the middle of the test the press found out
about it and we ended up with a street full of news vans outside our
office for a couple days. Having to cut short the beta program we were
forced to go into production prematurely as the market went crazy for
the product. It was a very costly mistake and it took two months to
retool a major mold. Meanwhile our customer base grew very impatient
and we ended up creating a competitor who ended up with a larger
market share than us in the end. Current aggregate annual sales of
this design is over 20 million with a market cap of about 80 to 120
million.

With dozens of breakthrough products in medical, Security, Aerospace,
and Electro-Optics the press went ape over a friggin shopping cart
lock!

>
> >
> > Since there was no mention of a flow regulator or nozzle type or even
> > use of such, your support for your dopey hack solution is just last
> > minute CYA.
>
> What CYA?- who would suggest a run time meter unless there was an
> equivalence between time and fuel consumption- the 'equivalizer' is
> constant flow rate. This would be obvious to anyone paying attention.
> Also, where are you getting this 'tank is outside' stuff. Here are some
> clues you were too dumb to pick up on: OP is in Sweden, tank is glass
> fiber, OP mentions access from the top, tank is most likely buried, OP
> is not industrial engineer, OP is working on home hobby project, OP is
> fiddling with his home oil furnace->nozzle. A run time meter will be
> accurate enough for assessing remaining amount of oil, in hours, for
> purposes of placing an order for a tank re-fill. It will be more
> accurate than the oil company technique of recording your usage habits
> which are integrated with degree-days, and that particular program of
> automatic delivery works very well.

Well as usual you created information that doesn't even resemble the
facts in the original posts. You winged the entire response like you
do in your attempts at political discourse. If you read the OP's info
as written there is no mention of a nozzle, pump, or that it is a
residential system, or that it is heating oil. The OP does not
indicate that he not an engineer and in fact demonstrates a grasp of a
MOSFET based RF pulse generation scheme.
>
> Looks like you're the dumbass here. If the OP has a problem with my
> assumptions then he can say so. You're just an unskilled, interfering,
> noise source, as usual.

No, once again, the attributes and insults you cast upon everyone else
is a self reflection of what you see about yourself. You are a fraud
and just a cut and paste artist that doesn't care to know the subject
matter. The above example of your complete fabrication of a post that
could easily be checked is the same thing you do in your anti Bush
attacks.

This has been fun but I feel bad taking on an adversary so beneath me.
I am ashamed of myself.

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