Re: OT: If Kerry is elected...

From: Robert Monsen (rcsurname_at_comcast.net)
Date: 10/22/04 

Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:45:00 GMT

Rich Grise wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:59:17 -0700, anita wrote:
>
>
>>OK, I came here looking for info about capacitance calculations and I
>>found this thread on full force. Since it appears that people in this
>>groups are not shy of expressing their opinions I ask you two
>>questions.
>>
>>No flames please.
>
>
> I think in this thread, the threshold of what's considered a "flame"
> versus what's considered "constructive criticism" may be, shall we say,
> "enhanced," from other groups you might frequent. ;-)
>
>
>>I ask this in all sincerity from the perspective of
>>a non-American (although I live here for now- so I am as scared about
>>terrorism as anyone else...) I dare not ask people I know because its
>>hard for people to not assume that it is an attack and I dont want to
>>be lynched!
>
>
> I sincerely, seriously, thank you, literally from the bottom of my heart,
> for mentioning your concerns here. I'm the group lunatic, and I claim
> that I'm a messenger from the metaphysical realms, come to bring a message
> of Healing for the world.
>
> In this context, it is EXTRREMELY WONDERFUL that you have expressed these
> feelings here, now.
>
> We are going to live.
>
> </fanatic rave>
>
>
>>I find the doctrine of "pre-emptive strike" a very curious way to
>>approach the problem of self-defense. Dont Americans think that
>>someone could apply the same doctrine to THEM ?
>
>
> Unfortunately, it would seen that the Americans presently in power,
> and their supporters, don't "think" at all.
>

I don't agree. They 'think', they just think about how 'government
should help business', and stop taxing their godfearing CEO buddies.
Like Bush I, Bush II really just can't understand where people who
aren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths are coming from.

Go check out "Bushwhacked" by Molly Ivins and Lou DuBose from the
library and read the first three chapters. It'll take an hour.

>
>>Afterall USA is
>>preceived by some countries, even non-"rogue" nations as a threat to
>>their security...
>
>
> This perception is not wrong.
>
>
>>The problem is when you push people into a corner
>>they are at their most dangerous...
>
>
> There are many people right now, as we speak, endeavoring to bring this
> very message to the ones in power. So far, it's been falling on deaf
> ears. Or, maybe even worse, "divinely inspired" ears.
>

Right. The administration has divested itself from any so-called
'reality-based' policy, and have moved to a more 'hallucination-based'
policy. GeeDubya is isolated from anybody who might inject any reality
(ie, doubt) into his thinking. Karl Rove and Andy Card want to keep him
'pure' for the coming trials.

>
>>With technology getting smaller
>>and faster and cheaper and sneakier, maybe a terrorist can do
>>substantive damage with next to nothing. What good are bombs when you
>>cannot differentiate a terrorist from a regular person ? I feel its
>>kind of like chemo for cancer, you kill some good cells along with a
>>lot of bad cells, but how to we know the body be able to withstand it
>>?
>
>
> She can't, and that's the reason that the situation is coming to a head,
> in a way way beyond what anybody's imagined before.
>
> It is the first time, _ever,_ that Spirit has made an avowed commitment
> to _not_ pretend healing is complete until _all_ of the lost will is
> recovered.
>

WTF? Is this some kind of code?

>
>>My other question: About nuclear weapons- this is probably common
>>knowledge but I dont really know. The US has a very strong stand about
>>certain countries not making nuclear weapons. I want to know if this
>>has an actual justification for this - other than just "because".
>
>
> America's current rulers simply want to be king bully, and they want
> to be assured that they are the only ones in the world with the power at
> their fingertips to destroy everything.
>
> They are evil, and the evil that has possessed the bodies is being
> reclaimed by its creator, and the essence that's been in its grip is
> being healed. While the denial energy gets worked out of the essence
> that's being freed from its prison of infinite pain, there will be
> some presentation of symptoms, possibly in the form of upheavals -
> but as long as you stay present with your own loving acceptance for
> this movement, healing will manifest.
>
>
>>Eg:
>>did these countries say they wont develop nuclear weapons by signing
>>some treaty or something ? Because if they did not what legal grounds
>>does any outside country have to dictate what another nation does ?
>>Might does not make right because if used it woudl blow everyone up
>>anyway, or is there a real reason other than "because we say so" ?
>
>
> It's because they're victims of the imprints that were the result of
> the Original Gap.
>
>
>>Is this common knowledge in the us ? So what defines "rogue" nations
>>other than the fact that the state department says so ?
>
>
> It's all pure bull***, as you've suspected all along.
>

Agree.

>
>>I am neither republican nor democrat (although you can tell I am more
>>of a liberal- universal health care good etc., ) and could not care
>>who wins either way because all frankly there is no way Kerry or
>>anyone can get us out of this mess, so it has to work itself out-
>>whatever that means.
>
>
> I can do it, but I'd have to be elected commander-in-chief to do it.
> As commander, I'd say, "Cease fire now, and come home. International
> affairs department, please let the Iraqi folks know that the soldiers
> have been ordered to not fire first, althought they're still allowed
> to return fire, which shouldn't be necessary, since they're going
> home, and they're just boys and girls like yourselves, who'd like to
> get out of this mess in one piece."
>

Sadly, that strategy, while attractive from a purely US populist
standpoint, would plunge Iraq into a civil war of epic proportions.
Saddam's former Shiite antagonists would take power, and the Sunis would
act just like the disenfranchised everywhere, except with way more guns
and bombs. They would get tactical help from Syria, which is still a
Baathist regieme. The Kurds would break away, which would cause Turkey
and Iran to freak out and attack them (they have their own Kurds, who
would want to join the new S. Kurdistan, and would thus have to be killed.)

This is exactly what the muslim moderates fear. It would be the
beginning of the end for stability in the region. Everybody would blame
the US for this (rightly), particularly the French and Germans, whose
economies would be thrown into chaos, because oil prices would continue
to rise. Saudi Arabia and the rest of the peninsula would be sucked into
the war, or at least forced to apply draconian measures to their own
populations to prevent uprising. Thus, the Texas Oilmen, the real
beneficiaries of the Iraq policy, would prosper with $100/barrel prices.

Thus, while bad for the country, for consumers, for most business, and
particularly for Europe, who gets far more oil from the mideast than we
do, it would be GREAT for GeeDubya's oil buddies in Texas. Thus, it
might happen. Karl Rove would name the withdrawl strategy "Peaceful
Islam". GeeDubya would kick it off at a Mosque, where the white house
would fund (but then deny funding) a large banner, with the words
"Eternal Peace for Islam" on it. 

-- 
Regards,
   Robert Monsen
"Your Highness, I have no need of this hypothesis."
     - Pierre Laplace (1749-1827), to Napoleon,
        on why his works on celestial mechanics make no mention of God.