Re: BUSH WINS!

From: John Fields (jfields_at_austininstruments.com)
Date: 11/04/04 

Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:30:26 -0600

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:53:40 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

>"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
>news:o5rko059p7e3ufurdtao9mv9rhlv3mdst8@4ax.com...

>> We'll do the best we can and what we damned well want to and have to
>> in order to survive and prosper, and we'll struggle with the results
>> of _our_ decisions regardless of whether the rest of the stupid,
>> suicidal world around us gives us permission or thinks it's right or
>> not.
>
>Do whatever it takes to keep surviving, but please do it within
>your own borders. 

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Unfortunately, we can't do that any more. 
Once upon a time we were neutral and isolationist but, under duress,
we got involved in our friends' wars and have had to maintain a
physical, international presence ever since.
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>Okay, the USA lost 2 towers and the unlucky folks
>that were in it. A *very* unfortunate event.
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"Fortune" had nothing to do with it.  An "unfortunate" event is a
Richter "9" earthquake which wipes out thousands of people.  Striking
the towers was a premeditated act of murder planned and carried out by
deranged animals against defenseless men, women, and children.
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>How much lives have been (violently) terminated since ? Pakistan AND Iraq?
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I don't know.
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>Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth? What version of the 'Good Book'
>does Bush read?
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Probably the one that says that, ultimately, he'll be judged and held
accountable for his actions during his time here on Earth.
The eye-for-an-eye and tooth-for-a-tooth thing is a little more
difficult to address, but here's something I found on the web:
"The phrase an "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" comes from
Exodus 21:23-25, so it is part of the Christian Bible as well as the
Jewish Torah. The school of Hillel (an ancient Jewish rabbi) opposed
the use of this verse to justify private vengeance. It is probably
best understood as an instruction to make the punishment fit the crime
and not succumb to the temptation to "one-uppance." Left to their own
devices, people are inclined to answer bad with worse (e.g., "If you
poke out my eye I’ll poke out both of yours."). The Torah (the Five
Books of Moses) tell us here that we are not entitled to any more than
has been taken from us. To refrain from responding to evil with
greater evil is only the beginning of righteousness. Jesus showed the
way to more positive righteousness when he admonished us to return
good for evil. (Matthew 5:38)." 
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>Tell me, dear John, tell me. If you know the answer. I'd like to know.
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The answer is to stop trying to fix the blame and to start trying to
fix the mistakes.
-- 
John Fields

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