Re: OT: Is this where they get new Neocons?

From: Richard the Dreaded Libertarian (eatmyshorts_at_doubleclick.net)
Date: 01/19/05 

Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:31:53 GMT

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:02:31 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:
> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:03:16 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
>>>On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:35:17 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
>>>>This is one of the entrance tests to join the NeoCons, right?
>>>>http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20050116/NEWS/101160001
>>>>If you go six days without figuring out that you have a 4" construction
>>>>nail embedded in your frontal lobe, you qualify, I presume.
>
> You have your own x-ray machine?

Better! I have a sensory system! My body itself would tell me there's
something in it that isn't supposed to be there. Or, more accurately, I'd
waste no time informing my stupid mind if there were a 4" nail stuck in me.

>>>1. How can you infer this guy's politics from this article?
>
>> By making an inference.
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> You misspelled "assumption".
No, you misunderstand me:
I quote:
 Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]

Inference \In"fer*ence\, n. [From Infer.]
   1. The act or process of inferring by deduction or induction.

            Though it may chance to be right in the conclusions,
            it is yet unjust and mistaken in the method of
            inference. --Glanvill.

   2. That which inferred; a truth or proposition drawn from
      another which is admitted or supposed to be true; a
      conclusion; a deduction. --Milton.

            These inferences, or conclusions, are the effects of
            reasoning, and the three propositions, taken all
            together, are called syllogism, or argument. --I.
                                                  Watts.

   Syn: Conclusion; deduction; consequence.

   Usage: Inference, Conclusion. An inference is literally
          that which is brought in; and hence, a deduction or
          induction from premises, -- something which follows as
          certainly or probably true. A conclusion is stronger
          than an inference; it shuts us up to the result, and
          terminates inquiry. We infer what is particular or
          probable; we conclude what is certain. In a chain of
          reasoning we have many inferences, which lead to the
          ultimate conclusion. ``An inference is a proposition
          which is perceived to be true, because of its
          connection with some known fact.'' ``When something is
          simply affirmed to be true, it is called a
          proposition; after it has been found to be true by
          several reasons or arguments, it is called a
          conclusion.'' --I. Taylor.

 WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]

inference
     n : the reasoning involved in drawing a conclusion or making a
         logical judgment on the basis of circumstantial evidence
         and prior conclusions rather than on the basis of direct
         observation [syn: illation]

 The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03) [foldoc]

inference
     
        <logic> The logical process by which new facts are derived
        from known facts by the application of inference rules.
     
        See also symbolic inference, type inference.
     
        (1995-03-20)
<end quote>
I further quote:
 Assumption \As*sump"tion\ (?; 215), n. [OE. assumpcioun a taking
   up into heaven, L. assumptio a taking, fr. assumere: cf. F.
   assomption. See Assume.]
   1. The act of assuming, or taking to or upon one's self; the
      act of taking up or adopting.

            The assumption of authority. --Whewell.

   2. The act of taking for granted, or supposing a thing
      without proof; supposition; unwarrantable claim.

            This gives no sanction to the unwarrantable
            assumption that the soul sleeps from the period of
            death to the resurrection of the body. --Thodey.

            That calm assumption of the virtues. --W. Black.

   3. The thing supposed; a postulate, or proposition assumed; a
      supposition.

            Hold! says the Stoic; your assumption's wrong.
                                                  --Dryden.

   4. (Logic) The minor or second proposition in a categorical
      syllogism.

   5. The taking of a person up into heaven. Hence: (Rom. Cath.
      & Greek Churches) A festival in honor of the ascent of the
      Virgin Mary into heaven.

 WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]

assumption
     n 1: a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a
          conclusion can be drawn; "on the assumption that he has
          been injured we can infer that he will not to play"
          [syn: premise, premiss]
     2: a hypothesis that is taken for granted; "any society is
        built upon certain assumptions" [syn: supposition, supposal]
     3: the act of taking possession of or power over something;
        "his assumption of office coincided with the trouble in
        Cuba"; "the Nazi assumption of power in 1934"; "he
        acquired all the company's assets for ten million dollars
        and the assumption of the company's debts" [syn: laying
        claim]
     4: celebration in the Roman Catholic Church of the Virgin
        Mary's being taken up into heaven when her earthly life
        ended; corresponds to the Dormition in the Eastern
        Orthodox church [syn: Assumption of Mary, August 15]
     5: audacious (even arrogant) behavior that you have no right
        to; "he despised them for their presumptuousness" [syn: presumption,
         presumptuousness, effrontery]
     6: (Christianity) the taking up of the body and soul of the
        Virgin Mary when her earthly life had ended
     7: the act of assuming or taking for granted; "your assumption
        that I would agree was unwarranted"

 U.S. Gazetteer (1990) [gazetteer]

Assumption, IL (city, FIPS 2609)
  Location: 39.51796 N, 89.04843 W
  Population (1990): 1244 (579 housing units)
  Area: 2.3 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water)
  Zip code(s): 62510

<end quote>

No, I wasn't assuming anything. Neocons have no will, and the frontal lobe
is the part of the brain that's closest to communicating with will, except
for the cerebellum, medulla, and so on down the line, it only makes sense
that losing the part of one's brain that's most closely connected to Free
Will would lead to neoconism, or any kind of obedience, for that matter.

Become a Neocon! Lobotomize Yourself!
 
>>>2. Do you imagine your reasoning would be unimpaired if you had a nail
>>>in your brain?
>
>> Probably not - that's kind of the point.
>
> Apparently his wasn't; what was your point?

That he had physical, observable, mechanical brain damage, and it didn't
seem to make much difference. Ergo, he must have been at least a
republican before the injury, if not already a neocon. Or maybe only a
redneck. Same difference, except for the price of their suits.

>>>3. Why has the American Left acquired such contempt for working
>>>people?
>
>> This doesn't even mean anything. I don't even know what "The American
>> Left" is,
>
> I would expect better from a "Dreaded Liberal". Or maybe not.

You're simply not paying attention. I have already stated that I'm not a
"Liberal", and have changed my alias to reflect that change - now I'm
calling this persona "The Dreaded Libertarian". Quite a difference.
Liberals, when the word is spat by a neocon as some kind of insult,
believe in taxation for "the greater good", i.e., collectivism. Neocons
are just baby nazis, who want nothing more than to serve their lord and
master and wipe out all manner of wrong thinking.

A Libertarian believes in self-determination and self-responsibility.
 
>> and I don't consider neocons to be "working people".
>
> Then why did you assume the _construction worker_ the article was
> about was a Neocon?

I didn't. I quote myself, from above:

>>>>On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:35:17 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
>>>>This is one of the entrance tests to join the NeoCons, right?

It's a _prerequisite_. He'd have immediately become management, or a
union boss.

>
>>>4. How come you can post this drivel here but never post on-topic?
>
>> A. Because it's USENET. B. Because I'm not the tech - I'm the dissident.
>
> Then stop styling yourself a Liberal. Liberals never dissent with the
> Liberal Line.

I have, even before your post. Check your "from"s in the references.

I used "liberal" one or maybe three or seven times, but now I'm The
Dreaded Libertarian. "Liberals", with a capital L, are as stupid as
neocons, just with a different dogma. They both depend on vampirizing the
working class to feather the nests of the elite, they only disagree on who
gets to be the elite.

Thanks,
Rich

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