Re: OT: Sad Days for America and the World- Four More Years of Hell

From: Fred Bloggs (nospam_at_nospam.com)
Date: 01/23/05 

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:46:56 GMT

Brian wrote:
> "Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:41F2DBF0.4070803@nospam.com...
>
>>
>>John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:54:00 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>John Larkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Did you listen to, or even better read, his Inaugural address?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No- I cannot stand listening to that drawling brainless garbage for
>>>>>>more than a millisecond.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Really, you should read it. This guy is really in sync with history.
>>>>>
>>>>>OK, I understand that he has faith in the perfectibility of humankind,
>>>>>and you don't. What I don't understand is why you, and so many other
>>>>>people, absolutely hate him for it. It's like you *want* the world to
>>>>>remain mired in hate and oppression, that you really enjoy it that
>>>>>way. Do you?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"History has an ebb and flow of justice, but history also has a
>>>>>visible direction, set by liberty and the Author of liberty."
>>>>>Damn, that's a zinger.
>>>>>
>>>>>John
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Here is a more scholarly critique of that pile evangelical horse manure
>>>>you call a "zinger":
>>>>
>>>>Published on Friday, January 21, 2005 by CommonDreams.org
>>>>The Rhetoric of Bush's Inaugural Address versus the Reality of Bush
>>>>Policy
>>>>by Stephen Zunes
>>>>
>>>>President Bush’s second inaugural address has received widespread praise
>>>>for its recognition of the imperative of advancing human freedom
>>>>worldwide, not just for its own sake, but for America’s own national
>>>>interest.
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately, this ignores the fact that the United States has long been
>>>>the number one military, diplomatic, and economic backer of the world’s
>>>>most repressive regimes,
>>>
>>>
>>>That's silly. The world's most repressive regimes have been Nazi
>>>Germany, the USSR, China, Cambodia, and North Korea, places that kill
>>>you if they suspect that you're *thinking* wrong.
>>
>>Right- your remark is out of context- like you better hope Bush is not
>>thinking about regime change in the USSR or China...
>>
>>
>>>Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the United Arab Emirates are free and open
>>>societies compared to the above.
>>
>>ditto
>>
>>
>>>The ultimate measure of freedom is: are you allowed to leave?
>>
>>That's a helluva bottom line.
>>
>
> Bloggy,
> Um, REAGAN changed the regime in the old USSR and brought it down... only
> ones more responsible was their own leadership and misguided beliefs similar
> to your own.

  I know you're too dumb to have a sense of cumulative effect, and
Russia maintains enough of a nuclear arsenal to pulverize the US into
the stone age- so what are you really talking about...