Re: Peterson's Death Sentence

From: Kevin Aylward (salesEXTRACT_at_anasoft.co.uk)
Date: 01/25/05 

Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:13:07 GMT

Noah Roberts wrote:
> Kevin Aylward wrote:
>> Noah Roberts wrote:
>>> Kevin Aylward wrote:
>>>
>>>> The issue is that you don't understand the *implications* of your
>>>> arguments. This is typically with the religious, e.g not realising
>>>> an
>>>
>>>> "all powerful god" is logically self contradictory, hence a false
>>>> idea.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>
>> Here we go..
>>
>> If god is all powerful he can make a weight that is so heavy no one
>> can lift it, including god. If it is so heavy, and god himself can't
>> lift
>
>> it, then he cant be all powerful. This contradicts the original
>> assumption, hence the original assumption must be false.
>
> After consideration I believe your argument to be flawed.

Oh dear, here we go again...

>
> You assume that the laws of this universe apply to God, when God is
> very likely not bound by these rules. Like I said before, since God
> made the Universe

No he didn't.

>he probably is not contained by it as we are. What
> is outside of the universe is not necessarily bound by the laws of it.

Its logic, not physics dude.

Yeah, I am well aware of the apologists cop out its this.

...
commandment 11

11) God allows contradictions.

>
> Same applies to any argument about infinity...you assume that God is
> bound by the same linear rules of time and space as we are, yet since
> he /created both/ I seriously doubt that to be so, and obviously
> cannot be assumed.

Look, dude...Its an argument on logic, not the physics of the universe.
Sure, if we allow contractions all arguments are meaningless.

>
> We cannot possibly know what rules God operates under, if any, since

{snip drival}

>
> Basically what I am saying is that your logic is correct, but is based
> on a premise that is not obviously true and probably isn't.

Its based on the premise that contradictions are proof of falsity.

>Therefor
> the conclusion does not follow. And since there are no premises we
> can say are true about anything that exists outside of the universe

In don't matter what universe we are in. Not 1 cant equal 1.

> don't see how you can apply logic to arrive at any valid conclusion
> about God's existance.

Indeed, since commandment 11 states that god allows for contradictions,
if it so pleases him. Sure, if your happy with that idea, then my
argument will fail. Feel free to believe in any nonsense you wish if you
want to salvage such a daft idea as contradictions are ok.

Secondly, the proof says nothing about whether or not god exists. Its
just proves that if a god exists, he cant be all powerful. He must have
limits. Tell me, why *should* a god that made us, assuming he did, be
all powerful? Certainly making billions of suns weighing 10^30kg is no
mean feat, but that don't imply that a god can do anything.

Kevin Aylward
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